914-6/904 project begins Options

[GaroldShaffer]

I'm not sure why I keep having to say the same things trying to justify my project on a car no one wanted. And still no one really wants it or they would have made a real offer for it.

So let's do this, let's focus on the ideas for the project, those were coming in nice. If you don't agree with the build, we have heard everyone's opinion on that.

Yes REALLY you keep saying no one has made you a real offer so........ how much will it take??? $30k, $40K, $50k.......$1 dollar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I don't want to sell it, I've said that from the beginning. I found the car, bought it, shipped it, paid $$$ to sort it, and now it's ready. When I first started the project I had several months to play with before the body was done so when there was an uproar on the forum about the car and the project I extended the offer if anyone wanted to trade their running driving six conversion for it, even with horrible cosmetics, I would entertain the offer. I got nothing, crickets, silence. Now months later I have received a couple of offers that have not come close to what I said I would trade for. So no I don't have a price to sell the car, I don't want to sell it. I am also out of time because the body is here and I want to start on the project, not have to go back to square one on the project. So once again, the car was offered to the 914 community months ago and no one wanted it, or didn't want it bad enough to give up their car. It's too bad that for the people who profess they would and should do everything to save this car, either don't have the money for it, or don't really care enough. I came out of the pocket to buy the car when no one else would, I came out of the pocket to get the car up to snuff, and now I'm the bad guy because I want to use the car for my project. This is America, if you want something, you buy it, I did, when no one else would. This car had been for sale off and on for 8 years, yes 8 years. So everyone had a shot to buy it, no one cared. But now that I have thousands invested everyone wants to crucify me. It's getting real tiresome. I put the thread on here because I thought I was doing something pretty cool, taking a car that had been put out to pasture and breathing new life into it, jumping through a lot of hurdles on the way, to build one of my dream cars, and all I've gotten out of a bunch of you is grief, so please, go talk trash somewhere else, or come by on Saturday and say it to my face. But there are no new arguements here, or offers, or anything, just pissed off guys who don't even put there names to their words, taking jabs at a guy sharing his passion for Porsches and his latest project. Move on, grow up, get a massage, something, but please stop saying the same things, again and again and again.

Adam Wright
Unobtanium-Inc

Then I don't understand. You say no one has made you a real offer, but then say you don't want to sell it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You are right you stepped up and bought it good for you. If it upsets you so much that others feel that using a 914 (in my case any 914) for this will not turn out like you want, then sorry.

The problem with text is you don't hear the persons inflection in their voice. I'm not saying your wrong for wanting to do this, but I just don't see how you will save any time using a 914 chassis at all. Why spend months cutting up a chassis when you can build a nice solid tube frame to fit the 904 body exactly? Use the /6 running gear and other stuff to make a sweet car.

As for coming to your place and telling to your face I would, but I don't live near you. I would gladly talk to you on the phone about it. And for the record my name is on all my posts.

Garold Shaffer

[rhodyguy]

Headin' sideways. IBTL.

[Unobtanium-inc]

I'm not sure why I keep having to say the same things trying to justify my project on a car no one wanted. And still no one really wants it or they would have made a real offer for it.

So let's do this, let's focus on the ideas for the project, those were coming in nice. If you don't agree with the build, we have heard everyone's opinion on that.

Yes REALLY you keep saying no one has made you a real offer so........ how much will it take??? $30k, $40K, $50k.......$1 dollar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I don't want to sell it, I've said that from the beginning. I found the car, bought it, shipped it, paid $$$ to sort it, and now it's ready. When I first started the project I had several months to play with before the body was done so when there was an uproar on the forum about the car and the project I extended the offer if anyone wanted to trade their running driving six conversion for it, even with horrible cosmetics, I would entertain the offer. I got nothing, crickets, silence. Now months later I have received a couple of offers that have not come close to what I said I would trade for. So no I don't have a price to sell the car, I don't want to sell it. I am also out of time because the body is here and I want to start on the project, not have to go back to square one on the project. So once again, the car was offered to the 914 community months ago and no one wanted it, or didn't want it bad enough to give up their car. It's too bad that for the people who profess they would and should do everything to save this car, either don't have the money for it, or don't really care enough. I came out of the pocket to buy the car when no one else would, I came out of the pocket to get the car up to snuff, and now I'm the bad guy because I want to use the car for my project. This is America, if you want something, you buy it, I did, when no one else would. This car had been for sale off and on for 8 years, yes 8 years. So everyone had a shot to buy it, no one cared. But now that I have thousands invested everyone wants to crucify me. It's getting real tiresome. I put the thread on here because I thought I was doing something pretty cool, taking a car that had been put out to pasture and breathing new life into it, jumping through a lot of hurdles on the way, to build one of my dream cars, and all I've gotten out of a bunch of you is grief, so please, go talk trash somewhere else, or come by on Saturday and say it to my face. But there are no new arguements here, or offers, or anything, just pissed off guys who don't even put there names to their words, taking jabs at a guy sharing his passion for Porsches and his latest project. Move on, grow up, get a massage, something, but please stop saying the same things, again and again and again.

Adam Wright
Unobtanium-Inc

Then I don't understand. You say no one has made you a real offer, but then say you don't want to sell it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You are right you stepped up and bought it good for you. If it upsets you so much that others feel that using a 914 (in my case any 914) for this will not turn out like you want, then sorry.

The problem with text is you don't hear the persons inflection in their voice. I'm not saying your wrong for wanting to do this, but I just don't see how you will save any time using a 914 chassis at all. Why spend months cutting up a chassis when you can build a nice solid tube frame to fit the 904 body exactly? Use the /6 running gear and other stuff to make a sweet car.

As for coming to your place and telling to your face I would, but I don't live near you. I would gladly talk to you on the phone about it. And for the record my name is on all my posts.

Garold Shaffer

How is that hard to understand, I don't want to sell it, but if someone really wanted it and had an interest in saving it I said I would entertain the offer. Never once have I tried to use the thread to sell the car. So how about this, no I don't want to sell it, trade it, anything, I want to get on with my project, if you want to follow the thread great, many do, if you don't agree with the build, tell it to the mountain.
Are you still confused Garold?

[GaroldShaffer]

I'm not sure why I keep having to say the same things trying to justify my project on a car no one wanted. And still no one really wants it or they would have made a real offer for it.

So let's do this, let's focus on the ideas for the project, those were coming in nice. If you don't agree with the build, we have heard everyone's opinion on that.

Yes REALLY you keep saying no one has made you a real offer so........ how much will it take??? $30k, $40K, $50k.......$1 dollar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I don't want to sell it, I've said that from the beginning. I found the car, bought it, shipped it, paid $$$ to sort it, and now it's ready. When I first started the project I had several months to play with before the body was done so when there was an uproar on the forum about the car and the project I extended the offer if anyone wanted to trade their running driving six conversion for it, even with horrible cosmetics, I would entertain the offer. I got nothing, crickets, silence. Now months later I have received a couple of offers that have not come close to what I said I would trade for. So no I don't have a price to sell the car, I don't want to sell it. I am also out of time because the body is here and I want to start on the project, not have to go back to square one on the project. So once again, the car was offered to the 914 community months ago and no one wanted it, or didn't want it bad enough to give up their car. It's too bad that for the people who profess they would and should do everything to save this car, either don't have the money for it, or don't really care enough. I came out of the pocket to buy the car when no one else would, I came out of the pocket to get the car up to snuff, and now I'm the bad guy because I want to use the car for my project. This is America, if you want something, you buy it, I did, when no one else would. This car had been for sale off and on for 8 years, yes 8 years. So everyone had a shot to buy it, no one cared. But now that I have thousands invested everyone wants to crucify me. It's getting real tiresome. I put the thread on here because I thought I was doing something pretty cool, taking a car that had been put out to pasture and breathing new life into it, jumping through a lot of hurdles on the way, to build one of my dream cars, and all I've gotten out of a bunch of you is grief, so please, go talk trash somewhere else, or come by on Saturday and say it to my face. But there are no new arguements here, or offers, or anything, just pissed off guys who don't even put there names to their words, taking jabs at a guy sharing his passion for Porsches and his latest project. Move on, grow up, get a massage, something, but please stop saying the same things, again and again and again.

Adam Wright
Unobtanium-Inc

Then I don't understand. You say no one has made you a real offer, but then say you don't want to sell it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You are right you stepped up and bought it good for you. If it upsets you so much that others feel that using a 914 (in my case any 914) for this will not turn out like you want, then sorry.

The problem with text is you don't hear the persons inflection in their voice. I'm not saying your wrong for wanting to do this, but I just don't see how you will save any time using a 914 chassis at all. Why spend months cutting up a chassis when you can build a nice solid tube frame to fit the 904 body exactly? Use the /6 running gear and other stuff to make a sweet car.

As for coming to your place and telling to your face I would, but I don't live near you. I would gladly talk to you on the phone about it. And for the record my name is on all my posts.

Garold Shaffer

How is that hard to understand, I don't want to sell it, but if someone really wanted it and had an interest in saving it I said I would entertain the offer. Never once have I tried to use the thread to sell the car. So how about this, no I don't want to sell it, trade it, anything, I want to get on with my project, if you want to follow the thread great, many do, if you don't agree with the build, tell it to the mountain.
Are you still confused Garold?

Nope

[euro911]

It doesn't appear that anybody is going to change Adam's mind, so it's probably just a waste of time even bothering with it.

This thread did, however, lead me to check out Chuck Beck's 904 site ... and oh, I would love to have one of his kits (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

The only issue I can see is that I would want a Subaru H6 drive train in it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hide.gif) ... (I already have enough valves to adjust as it is) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[Bruce Hinds]

Dear Admin,

Can we rename this thread to the "whine or go drive event" or something of the sort and start a new thread for those that are actually interested in the build.

Perhaps we could lock out all those that have contributed more than their 2 cents worth so we can actually follow the progress and not have to sort through 16
+ pages of crap.

[euro911]

It's only 11 pages of crap, Bruce (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[rick 918-S]

Dear Admin,

Can we rename this thread to the "whine or go drive event" or something of the sort and start a new thread for those that are actually interested in the build.

Perhaps we could lock out all those that have contributed more than their 2 cents worth so we can actually follow the progress and not have to sort through 16
+ pages of crap.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts here? You can say what you want. I'm with those that are concerned for the historic value of the car that's about to be turned into a cheap kit car. Take a 15k car with historic value and history and turn it into a 5k plastic patch job. So some of us missed it. I'm sure if anyone had ever thought this is where the car's history would end it wouldn't be where it is.

First the cage won't fit so hack that off at the longs, then the width and length won't work so cut it up and weld it back together without the aid of a chassis jig. That's safe. Then cut out the suspension because that won't work. Where is all the "sorting" now. Wasted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

You think I don't know what I'm talking about just take another look at the last car Adam did. Engineering is not patching junk roller together, slathering it with filler, painting it with a roller, putting a cute name on it and calling it a car. This project is so far from proper engineering it's not even funny. If Dana were doing it may stand a chance of actually working. But then you would not need to start with a car of this caliber either.

Go ahead, hack it to pieces. When your done maybe someone with a real passion for 914's will be able to collect up the scrap pile and save what left like the 550... If you don't get what I'm saying go find a kit car sight where they build VW 40 Fords and Fiero F 40's. That will be cool.

[wingnut86]

...OR...

[Unobtanium-inc]

Dear Admin,

Can we rename this thread to the "whine or go drive event" or something of the sort and start a new thread for those that are actually interested in the build.

Perhaps we could lock out all those that have contributed more than their 2 cents worth so we can actually follow the progress and not have to sort through 16
+ pages of crap.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts here? You can say what you want. I'm with those that are concerned for the historic value of the car that's about to be turned into a cheap kit car. Take a 15k car with historic value and history and turn it into a 5k plastic patch job. So some of us missed it. I'm sure if anyone had ever thought this is where the car's history would end it wouldn't be where it is.

First the cage won't fit so hack that off at the longs, then the width and length won't work so cut it up and weld it back together without the aid of a chassis jig. That's safe. Then cut out the suspension because that won't work. Where is all the "sorting" now. Wasted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

You think I don't know what I'm talking about just take another look at the last car Adam did. Engineering is not patching junk roller together, slathering it with filler, painting it with a roller, putting a cute name on it and calling it a car. This project is so far from proper engineering it's not even funny. If Dana were doing it may stand a chance of actually working. But then you would not need to start with a car of this caliber either.

Go ahead, hack it to pieces. When your done maybe someone with a real passion for 914's will be able to collect up the scrap pile and save what left like the 550... If you don't get what I'm saying go find a kit car sight where they build VW 40 Fords and Fiero F 40's. That will be cool.

Rick, you just don't get it....

[rick 918-S]

Dear Admin,

Can we rename this thread to the "whine or go drive event" or something of the sort and start a new thread for those that are actually interested in the build.

Perhaps we could lock out all those that have contributed more than their 2 cents worth so we can actually follow the progress and not have to sort through 16
+ pages of crap.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts here? You can say what you want. I'm with those that are concerned for the historic value of the car that's about to be turned into a cheap kit car. Take a 15k car with historic value and history and turn it into a 5k plastic patch job. So some of us missed it. I'm sure if anyone had ever thought this is where the car's history would end it wouldn't be where it is.

First the cage won't fit so hack that off at the longs, then the width and length won't work so cut it up and weld it back together without the aid of a chassis jig. That's safe. Then cut out the suspension because that won't work. Where is all the "sorting" now. Wasted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

You think I don't know what I'm talking about just take another look at the last car Adam did. Engineering is not patching junk roller together, slathering it with filler, painting it with a roller, putting a cute name on it and calling it a car. This project is so far from proper engineering it's not even funny. If Dana were doing it may stand a chance of actually working. But then you would not need to start with a car of this caliber either.

Go ahead, hack it to pieces. When your done maybe someone with a real passion for 914's will be able to collect up the scrap pile and save what left like the 550... If you don't get what I'm saying go find a kit car sight where they build VW 40 Fords and Fiero F 40's. That will be cool.

Rick, you just don't get it....

Ya, get what? I've seen your work, You've seen mine. Who has the most street cred?

You are not capable of doing anything with that car other than turn it into a pile of scrap. Specially when you say you don't have 30k to spend on it. How do you plan on making a proper chassis out of a car that you have to cut into quarters without spending serious cash on a proper chassis?

Prove me wrong. Hope you do. If you do at least the car would end up in your scrap yard never to be seen again.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Dear Admin,

Can we rename this thread to the "whine or go drive event" or something of the sort and start a new thread for those that are actually interested in the build.

Perhaps we could lock out all those that have contributed more than their 2 cents worth so we can actually follow the progress and not have to sort through 16
+ pages of crap.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts here? You can say what you want. I'm with those that are concerned for the historic value of the car that's about to be turned into a cheap kit car. Take a 15k car with historic value and history and turn it into a 5k plastic patch job. So some of us missed it. I'm sure if anyone had ever thought this is where the car's history would end it wouldn't be where it is.

First the cage won't fit so hack that off at the longs, then the width and length won't work so cut it up and weld it back together without the aid of a chassis jig. That's safe. Then cut out the suspension because that won't work. Where is all the "sorting" now. Wasted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

You think I don't know what I'm talking about just take another look at the last car Adam did. Engineering is not patching junk roller together, slathering it with filler, painting it with a roller, putting a cute name on it and calling it a car. This project is so far from proper engineering it's not even funny. If Dana were doing it may stand a chance of actually working. But then you would not need to start with a car of this caliber either.

Go ahead, hack it to pieces. When your done maybe someone with a real passion for 914's will be able to collect up the scrap pile and save what left like the 550... If you don't get what I'm saying go find a kit car sight where they build VW 40 Fords and Fiero F 40's. That will be cool.

Rick, you just don't get it....

Ya, get what? I've seen your work, You've seen mine. Who has the most street cred?

You are not capable of doing anything with that car other than turn it into a pile of scrap. Specially when you say you don't have 30k to spend on it. How do you plan on making a proper chassis out of a car that you have to cut into quarters without spending serious cash on a proper chassis?

Prove me wrong. Hope you do. If you do at least the car would end up in your scrap yard never to be seen again.

Rick-
I've never seen your work, nor do I care to. And how do you have any idea what I'm capable of. It's obvious your capable of being a jerk, but that's really all I know about you or your "cred". How does me sharing my project give you the right to try to dissect me? People wonder why it's the same 5 guys on these forums and why no one else ever shares or chimes in, it's because those 5 guys bury anything they don't understand or agree with under a pile of negative sarcasm. If you don't like the project, STOP READING THE THREAD!!!!!!!

[rick 918-S]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

[Mike Bellis]

Sad where this thread has gone...

Someone needs to talk about Republican priests giving hand jobs to Democratic transvestites while reciting the Koran so this can get locked down... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

No, you didn't call me any names, just ripped apart a car I spent 5 years working on, so yes, that makes you a jerk, and I don't care what you've done, I really don't.
I'm working on a car, if it doesn't work out that's my business, but I heard all the same things when I started work on the last car, and yet, that car got finished and sold.

[ConeDodger]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

Rick's work...

Euro 928 powered 914. Probably one of the most engineered cars on this forum. Probably also, the most reliable since it's been driven to almost every corner of the US. I vouch for Rick's street creds.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

Rick's work...

Euro 928 powered 914. Probably one of the most engineered cars on this forum. Probably also, the most reliable since it's been driven to almost every corner of the US. I vouch for Rick's street creds.

Yeah, I don't care, I didn't start this thread as a pissing contest with any one else or their builds. I don't know Rick and he damn sure doesn't know me, but proceeds to shred a car I built and belittle one I am building. So I don't care if he can put a flux capacaitor into a Deloran, he's still a jerk, how is that for a fact.

[rick 918-S]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

No, you didn't call me any names, just ripped apart a car I spent 5 years working on, so yes, that makes you a jerk, and I don't care what you've done, I really don't.
I'm working on a car, if it doesn't work out that's my business, but I heard all the same things when I started work on the last car, and yet, that car got finished and sold.

The work speaks for itself. One of the rules here is no name calling. No personal attacks. Ya, 5 years... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) to patch up a patch quilt of scraps. Guess we don't have to ever worry about you getting to cut this one up if it took that long with that end result. Feel sorry for the guy that bought it. Who was it that said there's one born every minute?

Do you know how many guys post here and show their projects? Every kind an level of skills. I can't say I have ever seen a car posted here that wasn't built with passion for the 914. Yours doesn't seem to be heading that way. You have no idea what we have done as a community for 914 people. Show some respect. Your not the great and powerful OZ here. Your just another car guy like the rest of us.

Like I said, Prove me wrong. If it turns out to be of a caliber that Porsche would have built himself as you claim that's your goal, I'm man enough to say I was wrong. Beyond that the history of a well know IMSA race car ends with you. You will be forever immortalized for that in books and magazines for years to come.

[ConeDodger]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

Rick's work...

Euro 928 powered 914. Probably one of the most engineered cars on this forum. Probably also, the most reliable since it's been driven to almost every corner of the US. I vouch for Rick's street creds.

Yeah, I don't care, I didn't start this thread as a pissing contest with any one else or their builds. I don't know Rick and he damn sure doesn't know me, but proceeds to shred a car I built and belittle one I am building. So I don't care if he can put a flux capacaitor into a Deloran, he's still a jerk, how is that for a fact.

And with that you crossed a line. Just like kindergarten, we don't allow name calling. That will get you banned. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

Didn't call you any names. Just pointed out the obvious. Maybe you should look up some of my work. Then maybe you would realize I'm not being a jerk and I actually know what I'm talking about. No need to name call Just stick to the facts.

No, you didn't call me any names, just ripped apart a car I spent 5 years working on, so yes, that makes you a jerk, and I don't care what you've done, I really don't.
I'm working on a car, if it doesn't work out that's my business, but I heard all the same things when I started work on the last car, and yet, that car got finished and sold.

The work speaks for itself. One of the rules here is no name calling. No personal attacks. Ya, 5 years... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) to patch up a patch quilt of scraps. Guess we don't have to ever worry about you getting to cut this one up if it took that long with that end result. Feel sorry for the guy that bought it. Who was it that said there's one born every minute?

Do you know how many guys post here and show their projects? Every kind an level of skills. I can't say I have ever seen a car posted here that wasn't built with passion for the 914. Yours doesn't seem to be heading that way. You have no idea what we have done as a community for 914 people. Show some respect. Your not the great and powerful OZ here. Your just another car guy like the rest of us.

Like I said, Prove me wrong. If it turns out to be of a caliber that Porsche would have built himself as you claim that's your goal, I'm man enough to say I was wrong. Beyond that the history of a well know IMSA race car ends with you. You will be forever immortalized for that in books and magazines for years to come.

See again you come off like a jerk, you know why it too my 5 years to build that car, because I was working a 4 day week so I could take care of my two young kids. And I don't have to prove anything to you, now or ever. My reputation in the Porsche community speaks for itself.
Oh, and the guy who bought the last car loves it, he is already asked me about selling the 904/914 when I'm done with it.

Once again I say, you just don't get it, and every time you open your mouth you prove that.