914-6/904 project begins Options

[r_towle]

My heart bleeds for you.

[Unobtanium-inc]

If you look closely you can see Peter Gregg's RSR ducktail!

[r_towle]

"I had to go pick up a huge parts stash so I had to stop working on my 904......"

Living the dream, keep it up.

[veekry9]

A solution for what is in the picture of the baby blue 914,perfection,clean,rust free.
By shortening the wheelbase,the cockpit is now that 150mm shorter,cramping the footroom in a big way.
The answer is moving the steering rack forward of the spindles which are then swapped side for side to point the spindle's steering arms forward.
This is not as difficult as it seems,the crossmember stays put,and the rack is mounted on tabs fastened to the existing provisions.
Seems like a lot of work,and it might be,however,the 6" of footroom you gain back makes the moving of the foot pedals forward simple.
The 904 had a similar arrangement for good reason,driver comfort at the 24 hr race of LeMans,not all crunched up,bowlegged.
Naturally,the master cylinder must also be moved forward,actuated by a rod or lever.
The footbox sheetmetal can now be cut out and moved forward as there is no longer a need for the space for the rack behind the crossmember.
The reason the 904 was built like that is the same reason the forward move makes perfect sense,the work to do it is acknowleged.

[tomrev]

Veekry, You are light years ahead of me in planning out suspension solutions, but I wonder about flipping the steering arms 180 deg. Some years ago, while building a Lotus 23- like project, I used Lola Formula Ford suspension bits, and did just what you are talking about. It solved the layout- and footbox problems, but gave me big ackerman problems, which I couldn't cure without just about re-doing it, steering arm-wise. Is this something you would be able to correct, while flipping the arms?

[Phoenix-MN]

I plan on swapping the struts side to side also. The steering arms have been bent/twisted/moved around in many ways by many people. I'm going to experiment with some struts to see is the arms can be straightened out like this. This would help in getting the ackeman angles closer to what they need to be.

[veekry9]

A minimum,should not be too difficult with the 914's sectioned chassis.



The length of the control and tie-rods should match,the angle too.
You will develop problems otherwise.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=front+suspen...TXtA0aAopJYM%3A

Ideally,the tie rod would be carried by the lower control arm,eliminating any unwanted bumpsteer.
That it hasn't been tried is because of the weight,complexity and costs involved.
The compromise is then the separate rack and arm,in front of the spindle,working the same as behind.
The rack up front makes for less room for the spare tire,which can be raised to clear the rack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWbUX5KCbI

Watching a racing 904 as an incentive,more power,more tire.

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[Unobtanium-inc]

"I had to go pick up a huge parts stash so I had to stop working on my 904......"

Living the dream, keep it up.

Sometimes the dream is a little bit of a nightmare, I threw my shoulder out on this last haul, too much lifting and dragging I guess. It seems ok now but Friday was a wash, I took the down time and got ahead of writing up a bunch of barn find articles for magazines. Maybe I'm getting too old for this. My son Max is 5, so no help on that front for several years.
We will be sorting this week, and there is nothing more boring than that.

[Jonathan Livesay]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-2-door...em=231863916148
It looks like DR. 914 beat you to it anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

[rhodyguy]

Please tell me where I can sell a front hood for $1.45k. I love Lionel's ads.

[JmuRiz]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-2-door...em=231863916148
It looks like DR. 914 beat you to it anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

Scotty, what would it take ($) to make that look as intended.
Granted I know it'll still look like this:
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But fixing all that rust will most likely break someone's bank.

[Unobtanium-inc]

As much as I have not fond memories of AA while growing up in Atlanta, I hope they do sell their project, someone could have a lot of fun with it.

I was hoping to get some time in on my project this week, but work must come first, today we un-loaded the latest buy, in 20 degree weather, with no hydraulics on the truck, it was not fun.

[JmuRiz]

I need to find someone that wants to dump a decent 911 on the cheap...probably my only chance at ever getting one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Anyone know someone desperate, haha.
Looks like you guys are still finding them out there somewhere.

[Unobtanium-inc]

I need to find someone that wants to dump a decent 911 on the cheap...probably my only chance at ever getting one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Anyone know someone desperate, haha.
Looks like you guys are still finding them out there somewhere.

We took out the trash for this guy, he had a couple of million in cars, but sold one of his buildings so wanted this stuff gone, the 7 cars I got from him were parked next to a real 911RS amongst other cool Porsches.
Your best bet for finding a cheap one is finding a roller, then building it into an outlaw slowly. If not the Boxsters and 996's are cheap.

[bretth]

As much as I have not fond memories of AA while growing up in Atlanta, I hope they do sell their project, someone could have a lot of fun with it.

I was hoping to get some time in on my project this week, but work must come first, today we un-loaded the latest buy, in 20 degree weather, with no hydraulics on the truck, it was not fun.

Nice score. Let me know when you guys are ready to do lunch again.

Brett

[GaroldShaffer]

I know that blue 71 911T on the top row. Let me know if you want some back history.

[Unobtanium-inc]

I know that blue 71 911T on the top row. Let me know if you want some back history.

That would be great, every car has a story.
Send me what you know
adam@unobtanium-inc.com

Thanks!

[Unobtanium-inc]

Ok, so we cleared a bunch of cars out so I felt I had the time to get back on this project. Also, Thursday's I'm at the shop by myself so no distractions. I think I had been dreading this day because it is kind of the point of no return, cutting up the yellow 914. There is no going back now. I will start fitting the rear soon, then move forward. I'll probably send the rear suspension out to the guys at Elephant to get the ball rolling on that.

[sixnotfour]

Dude where's the 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

[veekry9]

The Mahles look nice on this car,working on a ten hole look alike.
The rear suspension,on a 914 lowered to 904 ride height will have 'quirks' at track speed.
The trailing arms and lateral links setup of the 904-906-908 will produce a decent level of grip.
The use of the 914's swingarm supplemented by lateral rad rods make the production pieces perform likewise.
Stability under lateral loading will attenuate any propensity for oversteer on undulating surfaces.
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