 914 Heater, any solutions ? |
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| MecGen |
 Feb 25 2005, 05:29 AM
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8 Easy Steps  Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421  |
Hi people
Lots of good mods here, on the forum. Has anybody found, used a heater sytem for the air cooled motor? Oil cooler for example? I am always scarred to plumb oil into the tub...it is a 914. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) Electric heaters, word is they just don't work. I don't have stock heat exchangers any more. Anybody have a decent solution Thanx 1000 x Cheers Joe (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rock_band.gif) |
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| Trekkor |
Feb 25 2005, 05:58 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Seems to me that Dan Root makes heaters out of sheet metal that jackets the headers and uses an electric blower to push the heated air.
DIY heat exchangers. Maybe he'll post pics? KT |
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| MecGen |
Feb 25 2005, 06:21 AM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Excactly what I tryed to do 10 years ago, my exhaust was too rusty and burned holes through it. Would really like to see some pics
Thanx Cheers Joe (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) |
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| BarberDave |
Feb 25 2005, 06:32 AM
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Barberdave Group: Members Posts: 1,605 Joined: 12-January 03 From: Wauseon Ohio Member No.: 135 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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I have a friend with a 911, that he has a electric heater that hangs down under the center of the dash. I have never heard him dis it so i guess it works well. ( Jump in anytime Tab. ) Dave (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) |
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| Bleyseng |
Feb 25 2005, 08:48 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,036 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
If you are running a header fab something around the tubes and feed it off the fan.
Best heat is 73-74 SSI HE's with all the tin and gaskets, repair all the hoses and stuff and it will cook you out in the morning. Geoff |
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| sgomes |
Feb 25 2005, 08:57 AM
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Electric Member Group: Members Posts: 815 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 2,029 |
where is Otmar on this one? I believe he uses two 1800Watt Vidal Sasson hair dryers - Independant driver and passenger controls!! WOOT!
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| CHAFF |
Feb 25 2005, 09:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 167 Joined: 13-September 04 From: Regina, SK Member No.: 2,749 |
I'm in the process of refurbing and installing a BN2 VW gas heater. Its slow going so I'll post when its done.
-L |
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| Rhodes71/914 |
Feb 25 2005, 09:59 AM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
I took a ride in a members car that had an electric heater hard wired in. It worked fine. Just gotta make sure everything is wired correctly and you have enough juice. Certainly easier than fabing something around the headers.
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| scotty914 |
Feb 25 2005, 10:22 AM
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suby torque rules Group: Members Posts: 1,528 Joined: 20-July 03 From: maryland, the land of 25 year Member No.: 924 |
2 1800 watt hair dryers, no way first they cant be over 1500 watts and use a normal plug, but that does not mean he did not change a plug. 2, that is one noisy way to get heat. 3, thats 3600 watts at 120 volts, or 30 amps at 120 volts, then lets say he had an inverter running from the alt and battery and it was 100 % effecent, that would be 300 amps at 12 volts, or enought to drain the battery flat in 15 minutes even with the alt charging it.
what i used was a coleman heater designed for use in cars, as a emergency heater if you broke down in winter, i mounted it under the dash. between the seats aiming at the back, it was enough to help my leaky HE at 20 to 30 outside temps, here is the one i used in my car. and i never had a problem the 914 is leaky enough to avoid CO stuff but coleman also makes a 1100 btu heater, as they put it "for rec use in enclosed spaces. that would work by it self to heat a car |
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| Gary |
Feb 25 2005, 02:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 12-January 03 From: Mount Airy, MD Member No.: 134 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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I have one of these Espar D1LC heater in a box. Bought it used for reasonable. Once I get the 914 back from aircooled racing, this is on the short list of installs.
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| SirAndy |
Feb 25 2005, 02:53 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,954 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
actually, his car has more than just one battery ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) and they're not that loud either ... as for the heater, a aftermarket heater that burns gasoline is the way to go. they were an option for VW-Bus and VW-Transporter. i had one in my VW-Beetle. took about 5 minutes to get the car to sub-tropical temps in the winter with -10C outside ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) Andy |
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| davep |
Feb 25 2005, 02:54 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,225 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
Not his battery(s). Hint: his is an electric 914. |
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| SirAndy |
Feb 25 2005, 02:57 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,954 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
this is similar to the unit i had ...
http://www.webasto.de/oem/de/am_vans_heaters_833.html they burn gas from your tank, blow the hot air in your car and the exhaust outside. in my bug i had it mounted under the center of the rear seat ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) Andy |
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| lapuwali |
Feb 25 2005, 03:14 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
The OEM unit the Bug guys use is made by Eberspacher, and a search on The Samba's classifieds sections shows several. Some are really cheap ($30), many are quite expensive ($700).
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| cdmcse |
Feb 25 2005, 03:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Georgetown, Ky Member No.: 3,305 |
I always wondered what Webasto did. They have some huge manufacturing facility near my house in KY.
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| IronHillRestorations |
Feb 25 2005, 03:38 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,793 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Making heat exchangers out of headers made of mild steel is a BAD IDEA! I will go so far as to say it is STUPID!! If you do this then you won't be able to argue this with me at some point in the future because YOU WILL BE DEAD!!!!!
Porsche learned this the hard way when the first 911's came out, and since then (something like 1965) all Porsche exhaust systems have tubing that is a form of stainless, albeit cheap stainless, but stainless none the less. In addition all Porsche heat exchangers have no welds in the exhaust tubing in the heat collectors, which is another killer. |
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| lapuwali |
Feb 25 2005, 03:41 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
Lots of car-related parts, mostly sunroofs and HVAC stuff. |
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| don9146 |
Feb 25 2005, 03:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 3-January 04 From: Nashville, TN Member No.: 1,500 Region Association: None |
I have looked into one of these for the 914, but I don't see a good place to mount it... |
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| SirAndy |
Feb 25 2005, 03:52 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,954 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
passanger footwell, in place of the hard foam footrest. just build a alu-shield to cover it and have the warm air exit towards the center tunnel. or, do what Dr. Porsche did, mount it in the front trunk and have the hot air routed into the stock air box, just like the normal heated air ... that way, you can still use the dash controls to redirect the hot air ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| MecGen |
Feb 25 2005, 05:59 PM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
You people rock !!!
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rock_band.gif) I posted this in the morning then left for work. Thanx for all the advise !!! I have a lot to think about.... I am leaning to a electric heater set-up, I would have to find a heater that my 75 amp altty can handle. Its the easiest solution....but.....I think the gas heater out of an old bug or similar system, might be a better performing system, more dangerous ? Idunno. It would be cool if someone that had a gas heater in a 914 would post, I can't be the first person to look for a solution.... Thanx again everyone Cheers Joe (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) |
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