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> Rebuild a 2.7L or 3.0L six motor, which is cheaper?
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post Feb 21 2016, 12:42 AM
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Vertex advert in current Panorama - rebuilt long block, PLUS core charge, shipping 2 ways, etc

3.0 = $7999
3.2 = $9999

that is read "long block"

- you can use it as a guide to how much a stock rebuild is going to cost on your own engine

- it does NOT include uprated components, such as cams, higher CR P&C's, etc etc etc

you will need a complete engine from which you save all the peripheral parts - you just send them your long block exchange core, assuming it meets their rebuild-able criteria

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post Feb 21 2016, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Feb 18 2016, 09:22 AM) *

Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO.
The cost of that swap are less than half the cost of Porsche power...



one main problem with Subie (aside from the watercooling surgery required)

- if it does not have a Porsche engine, it is not eligible for any PCA competition events


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post Feb 21 2016, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(larryM @ Feb 21 2016, 01:42 AM) *

Vertex advert in current Panorama - rebuilt long block, PLUS core charge etc

3.0 = $7999
3.2 = $9999

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Vertex were good to me, but I've only bought a couple parts from them.

I wonder if that's a set in stone price? what's included?
Sometimes you get lucky and there's not a whole lot wrong with your core, but sometimes cam's and cranks are pitted, cylinders need replating, stripped threads and plug holes, broken studs, etc.

I'd want to know exactly what is and isn't included before signing the work order.
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post Feb 21 2016, 06:49 AM
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QUOTE(larryM @ Feb 20 2016, 10:51 PM) *

QUOTE(J P Stein @ Feb 18 2016, 09:22 AM) *

Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO.
The cost of that swap are less than half the cost of Porsche power...



one main problem with Subie (aside from the watercooling surgery required)

- if it does not have a Porsche engine, it is not eligible for any PCA competition events


So?
Step up to SCCA ...if you have the hair. The completion is much stouter in AX.I will admit that the Porsche 6 sounds much better.
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post Feb 21 2016, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(larryM @ Feb 20 2016, 10:42 PM) *

Vertex advert in current Panorama - rebuilt long block, PLUS core charge etc

3.0 = $7999
3.2 = $9999

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Those are FAR from running motors. Webers? add another 3-4K min. Also it is really questionable what sort of rebuild quality you will get out of these engines.
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post Feb 22 2016, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(larryM @ Feb 20 2016, 10:42 PM) *

Vertex advert in current Panorama - rebuilt long block, PLUS core charge etc

3.0 = $7999
3.2 = $9999

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I wonder why $2k more for a 3.2 rebuild? They are very simialar motors from a long block point of view. The 3.2 doesn't even need head gaskets.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Feb 22 2016, 04:29 PM
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Man, this thread makes me glad i bought my 3.6L motor at the time i did.
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And back then i thought it was expensive ...
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post Feb 22 2016, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 22 2016, 05:29 PM) *

Man, this thread makes me glad i bought my 3.6L motor at the time i did.
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And back then i thought it was expensive ...
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It's a $20K motor now.
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post Feb 22 2016, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 22 2016, 05:29 PM) *

Man, this thread makes me glad i bought my 3.6L motor at the time i did.
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And back then i thought it was expensive ...
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Today's prices I'd do a T4 or subi.

also glad i didn't fire sale my 2.7 core.
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post Feb 22 2016, 04:59 PM
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I have a trick 3.2 sitting in the garage, after reading this I want a Subaru .... I also love the Porsche 6 , 2.0-3.6 I'm not that picky but at some point it just doesn't seem worth it,like the cost of an old 911 now... They are beautiful,cool but paying 50-100k?
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(jeff @ Feb 22 2016, 05:59 PM) *

I have a trick 3.2 sitting in the garage, after reading this I want a Subaru .... I also love the Porsche 6 , 2.0-3.6 I'm not that picky but at some point it just doesn't seem worth it,like the cost of an old 911 now... They are beautiful,cool but paying 50-100k?

That 3.2 is worth a hell of a lot more running and sorted. Even 914 conversions are going to be worth big bucks.
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:35 PM
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I know this is a bit off topic, but the previous 6 pages of six price quotes is exactly why my six is a Honda; having done a number of six engines, from 2.0 to 3.0 in the 1980's, I was set back buy how much $$ it would cost now to convert my present 914 over. The Honda is finished, sounds phenomenal, and total cost, with me making most of the special bits, was $2K. I understand most will want to stay in the Porsche fold, but damn, 20-30K for a fun, drive around project (just engine conversion) is well beyond my desires.
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:42 PM
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It's a $20K motor now.

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post Feb 22 2016, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 22 2016, 02:29 PM) *

Man, this thread makes me glad i bought my 3.6L motor at the time i did.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


And back then i thought it was expensive ...
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If you have thought about stashing away a later 6 motor, do it now, the pendulum has swung back the other way with the 80's 911's, where the last 10 years people were parting them out, now they are restoring them, so less motors coming on the market, and you are competing with the guys restoring when you are buying now, prices are rising quickly. Now if you want a 996 motor or Boxster, they're cheap!
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:53 PM
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A 993 3.6 non varioram motor is still selling for around $12k from a wrecking yard. For $20k you must be referring to one that has been overhauled.
http://www.ladismantler.com/porsche-993-ca...gine-non-v-ram/
I didn't see any mention of a core charge.
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(Unobtanium-inc @ Feb 22 2016, 03:50 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 22 2016, 02:29 PM) *

Man, this thread makes me glad i bought my 3.6L motor at the time i did.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


And back then i thought it was expensive ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


If you have thought about stashing away a later 6 motor, do it now, the pendulum has swung back the other way with the 80's 911's, where the last 10 years people were parting them out, now they are restoring them, so less motors coming on the market, and you are competing with the guys restoring when you are buying now, prices are rising quickly. Now if you want a 996 motor or Boxster, they're cheap!


Yes, until you have to repair it or rebuild it!

LN Engineering shows $15,000 to rebuild one and more if you want it with more HP/performance! Dang!
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post Feb 22 2016, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Feb 22 2016, 02:46 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 22 2016, 05:29 PM) *

Man, this thread makes me glad i bought my 3.6L motor at the time i did.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


And back then i thought it was expensive ...
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It's a $20K motor now.


Singer is driving up the market with the 3.6 in his cars.
Then, PAG only produce X amount of cars / motors.
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QUOTE(Steve @ Feb 22 2016, 03:53 PM) *

A 993 3.6 non varioram motor is still selling for around $12k from a wrecking yard. For $20k you must be referring to one that has been overhauled.
http://www.ladismantler.com/porsche-993-ca...gine-non-v-ram/
I didn't see any mention of a core charge.


I believe that the 20k 3.6 would have to be a low mileage Vram. LA Dist engine usually have 75k mileage on them.
With a rebuild, Patrick Motorsports has them list in the low 20k to 30k range.
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QUOTE(Steve @ Feb 22 2016, 03:53 PM) *

A 993 3.6 non varioram motor is still selling for around $12k from a wrecking yard. For $20k you must be referring to one that has been overhauled.
http://www.ladismantler.com/porsche-993-ca...gine-non-v-ram/
I didn't see any mention of a core charge.


I believe that the 20k 3.6 would have to be a low mileage Vram. LA Dist engine usually have 75k mileage on them.
With a rebuild, Patrick Motorsports has them list in the low 20k to 30k range.

I could be wrong but I have a feeling when you call for that $12K motor, it will be unavailable.
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Feb 22 2016, 04:09 PM) *

QUOTE(396 @ Feb 22 2016, 07:03 PM) *

QUOTE(Steve @ Feb 22 2016, 03:53 PM) *

A 993 3.6 non varioram motor is still selling for around $12k from a wrecking yard. For $20k you must be referring to one that has been overhauled.
http://www.ladismantler.com/porsche-993-ca...gine-non-v-ram/
I didn't see any mention of a core charge.


I believe that the 20k 3.6 would have to be a low mileage Vram. LA Dist engine usually have 75k mileage on them.
With a rebuild, Patrick Motorsports has them list in the low 20k to 30k range.

I could be wrong but I have a feeling when you call for that $12K motor, it will be unavailable.

I am hearing the same thing from various people on waiting lists. The 3.2 is also becoming very rare. What also sucks is someone in the PCA ocr just got there 993 stolen. Supply and demand. Be afraid and make sure your car is insured .
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