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| 76-914 |
 Nov 1 2016, 05:15 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist  Group: Members Posts: 13,647 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California 
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 31 2016, 11:32 PM)  QUOTE(76-914 @ Oct 31 2016, 07:09 AM) Why you ask? On a back road, I scared the shit out of myself a few month's back when I was teaching a BMW a lesson. So it just didn't slow down enough? In that case, see my earlier post. Good tires, and a system in good shape will do it. Plus decent pads. --DD QUOTE(mbseto @ Nov 1 2016, 06:23 AM) QUOTE(76-914 @ Oct 31 2016, 10:09 AM) ...On a back road, I scared the shit out of myself a few month's back when I was teaching a BMW a lesson. Wouldn't mind hearing this story... :-) This is what happened. I'd been driving this back road when this newer black and yellow BMW suddenly appeared in my rearview mirror. I began to punch it some and couldn't shake him. This went on for about 5 miles thru lots of turns and braking. At one point they just wouldn't slow the car down quickly enough as I went thru a turn much faster than I wanted. As I coming up on the turn I remember looking at the speedo, seeing 90 and thinking oh shit. Thought I had bought the farm but came out of the turn OK. Thank you Dr. Porsche. I noticed he had dropped back on that turn and didn't try to hang with me through it. Maybe his girlfriend was screaming. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) He was right back on me after that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) We pulled over and talked before the road merged back into the Hi Way. Heck of a nice guy and an extremely nice new BMW. Very sporty looking. He said to me " I told my girlfriend Goddamn, that old Porsche moves". I didn't tell him that I almost shit myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I went back thru some of Erc's stuff and think maybe I need to go bed them in again because they don't lock up anymore. Pedal is stiff and I remember that they did lock up after I bedded them in 2 years ago. Rotors, pads and calipers were new or rebuilt from Erc and I've put about 7K on the stock pads which don't show any wear. |
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| rhodyguy |
Nov 1 2016, 05:52 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,193 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
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| stugray |
Nov 1 2016, 06:51 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
Sounds like your flex-line liners are swollen.
They pinch off the fluid flow which causes the pads to drag and overheat fluid cant flow back out. Once you boil the fluid in a caliper, they stop working completely (in that caliper) |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Nov 1 2016, 11:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(76-914 @ Nov 1 2016, 04:15 PM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 31 2016, 11:32 PM) QUOTE(76-914 @ Oct 31 2016, 07:09 AM) Why you ask? On a back road, I scared the shit out of myself a few month's back when I was teaching a BMW a lesson. So it just didn't slow down enough? In that case, see my earlier post. Good tires, and a system in good shape will do it. Plus decent pads. --DD QUOTE(mbseto @ Nov 1 2016, 06:23 AM) QUOTE(76-914 @ Oct 31 2016, 10:09 AM) ...On a back road, I scared the shit out of myself a few month's back when I was teaching a BMW a lesson. Wouldn't mind hearing this story... :-) This is what happened. I'd been driving this back road when this newer black and yellow BMW suddenly appeared in my rearview mirror. I began to punch it some and couldn't shake him. This went on for about 5 miles thru lots of turns and braking. At one point they just wouldn't slow the car down quickly enough as I went thru a turn much faster than I wanted. As I coming up on the turn I remember looking at the speedo, seeing 90 and thinking oh shit. Thought I had bought the farm but came out of the turn OK. Thank you Dr. Porsche. I noticed he had dropped back on that turn and didn't try to hang with me through it. Maybe his girlfriend was screaming. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) He was right back on me after that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) We pulled over and talked before the road merged back into the Hi Way. Heck of a nice guy and an extremely nice new BMW. Very sporty looking. He said to me " I told my girlfriend Goddamn, that old Porsche moves". I didn't tell him that I almost shit myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I went back thru some of Erc's stuff and think maybe I need to go bed them in again because they don't lock up anymore. Pedal is stiff and I remember that they did lock up after I bedded them in 2 years ago. Rotors, pads and calipers were new or rebuilt from Erc and I've put about 7K on the stock pads which don't show any wear. I think you need Subaru brakes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| 76-914 |
Nov 2 2016, 07:54 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,647 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(stugray @ Nov 1 2016, 05:51 PM) Sounds like your flex-line liners are swollen. They pinch off the fluid flow which causes the pads to drag and overheat fluid cant flow back out. Once you boil the fluid in a caliper, they stop working completely (in that caliper) They were replaced along with everything else during the conversion. |
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| draganc |
Nov 2 2016, 08:17 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Oct 31 2016, 09:29 PM) QUOTE(draganc @ Oct 31 2016, 08:09 PM) QUOTE(Racer @ Oct 31 2016, 07:07 PM) Someone once told me, "If you can lock the tire, you have enough brake" . Beyond that, most improve their brakes more for the heat soak and need to stop repeat +1, that's all you need at 20,30, 50 and 65 mph. Yup. True. So why do I have aluminum "S" calipers in front and aluminum 914 6 calipers in the rear (thanks Eric) both front and rear on vented 911 rotors? Why?? Because it looks KOOL. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Stop on a dime, give ya 9 cents change. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) And you NEED all the cool factor that is available, at age +65! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Nov 2 2016, 11:22 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(draganc @ Nov 2 2016, 07:17 AM) QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Oct 31 2016, 09:29 PM) QUOTE(draganc @ Oct 31 2016, 08:09 PM) QUOTE(Racer @ Oct 31 2016, 07:07 PM) Someone once told me, "If you can lock the tire, you have enough brake" . Beyond that, most improve their brakes more for the heat soak and need to stop repeat +1, that's all you need at 20,30, 50 and 65 mph. Yup. True. So why do I have aluminum "S" calipers in front and aluminum 914 6 calipers in the rear (thanks Eric) both front and rear on vented 911 rotors? Why?? Because it looks KOOL. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Stop on a dime, give ya 9 cents change. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) And you NEED all the cool factor that is available, at age +65! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Remember, "it is better to look good than to feel good". (Fernando) Dobro jutro. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Nov 2 2016, 11:29 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,950 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Nov 2 2016, 12:22 PM) Remember, "it is better to look good than to feel good". (Fernando) Dobro jutro. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgflip.com-1143-1478107741.1.jpg) |
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| 914forme |
Nov 2 2016, 12:43 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Nov 2 2016, 01:06 AM) Yes these should stop your 914.  |
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| Mueller |
Nov 2 2016, 01:28 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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John Rogers had a set of the original billet hubs with 911 vented rotors on his GT flared, racing tire equipped 914 and loved them compared to the stock solid rotors.
He has a review someplace about them. I think for him the biggest improvement was the cooling since clamping force should be the same. |
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| Korijo914 |
Nov 2 2016, 02:48 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 26-April 16 From: Snohomish WA Member No.: 19,940 Region Association: None |
I had a ride, can't remember with whom, went around a corner at some speed ( the guy knew his car ), I didn't! Man, after that I can't live without spirited driving!
It was in the back roads, by Bothell, on the way to the Red Hook brewery. It was a while ago. But, man I had some fun turning those corners! I didn't have my seat belt on, but I did after that corner, fo sho! I wish I could remember who I was with??? Anyone remember that day? Oh, 914's! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Oh yeah, braking! I am going with some M calipers with vented rotors, and definitely a prop valve! |
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| Eric_Shea |
Nov 2 2016, 07:00 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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| zach914v8 |
Jan 18 2017, 02:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 26-November 10 From: Houston Member No.: 12,426 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I bumped this to see if there was any progress in the world of the illusive "billet hub" that has eluded me for nearly a decade. Any update here? I still would really like to get a set of these hubs.
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| BigFour1973 |
Jan 18 2017, 05:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 16-November 14 From: Long Beach Member No.: 18,126 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(zach914v8 @ Jan 18 2017, 12:32 PM) I bumped this to see if there was any progress in the world of the illusive "billet hub" that has eluded me for nearly a decade. Any update here? I still would really like to get a set of these hubs. +1 |
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| stugray |
Jan 18 2017, 09:27 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(zach914v8 @ Jan 18 2017, 01:32 PM) I bumped this to see if there was any progress in the world of the illusive "billet hub" that has eluded me for nearly a decade. Any update here? I still would really like to get a set of these hubs. I have often wondered if we could machine off the rotor from a stock front hub and fit it to a wilwood rotor. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.wilwood.com-10819-1484796458.1.jpg) |
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| zach914v8 |
Jan 19 2017, 07:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 26-November 10 From: Houston Member No.: 12,426 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(stugray @ Jan 18 2017, 09:27 PM) QUOTE(zach914v8 @ Jan 18 2017, 01:32 PM) I bumped this to see if there was any progress in the world of the illusive "billet hub" that has eluded me for nearly a decade. Any update here? I still would really like to get a set of these hubs. I have often wondered if we could machine off the rotor from a stock front hub and fit it to a wilwood rotor. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.wilwood.com-10819-1484796458.1.jpg) I had posed this exact question some years back when I was trying to drum up demand for someone to start making these hubs again. Consensus back then was that the stock rotor doesn't have enough meat to safely machine into a wilwood style rotor hat. Another 914 owner from over seas posted his set up with 914 style rotors that where actually made vented and their purpose was a beetle upgrade. He had early struts and reported that every thing he bought from kerscher tuning fit. here is the link to the rotors if anyone cares... kerscher beetle brake rotor The problem with getting these is they cost a ton to get them shipped over. I found a US dealer and was quoted nearly $700 to get a set of rotors. Too much $$$ for a consumable in my option. Then I found another custom bug shop in Cali that makes a billet hub for bugs. I got into contact with them in September. Sent $125 for them to pick up a late 914 strut and test fit their hubs and wilwood caliper mounts. Now the guy wont email me back or return my calls. So it looks like I got burned there. So now I am to the point that I may grab a rotor and a strut and go to an engineering firm and see if I can have something whipped up. I know that somewhere, someone has the CAD drawings of brads old hubs, if I was to get A copy of the blue prints I could get something made up quick. If Bruce is making these, it would save me a lot of time and trouble. But if not, I may move forward and try to get something done. |
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| Mueller |
Jan 19 2017, 03:40 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(zach914v8 @ Jan 19 2017, 05:45 AM) [ Another 914 owner from over seas posted his set up with 914 style rotors that where actually made vented and their purpose was a beetle upgrade. He had early struts and reported that every thing he bought from kerscher tuning fit. here is the link to the rotors if anyone cares... kerscher beetle brake rotor The problem with getting these is they cost a ton to get them shipped over. I found a US dealer and was quoted nearly $700 to get a set of rotors. Too much $$$ for a consumable in my option. Then I found another custom bug shop in Cali that makes a billet hub for bugs. I got into contact with them in September. Sent $125 for them to pick up a late 914 strut and test fit their hubs and wilwood caliper mounts. Now the guy wont email me back or return my calls. So it looks like I got burned there. So now I am to the point that I may grab a rotor and a strut and go to an engineering firm and see if I can have something whipped up. I know that somewhere, someone has the CAD drawings of brads old hubs, if I was to get A copy of the blue prints I could get something made up quick. If Bruce is making these, it would save me a lot of time and trouble. But if not, I may move forward and try to get something done. That would be me , of course I cannot find it right now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I'm guessing Mark made his own drawing for the units Bruce has in the Classifieds section. Is that VW shop in NorCal or SoCal? If up here I'd gladly go pick those up! My 914 is still not at my house so I don't have a strut assembly to measure. I fully plan on making a set for my car (with added material to eliminate my 20mm spacer) with my new CNC mill/lathe but I need my car at my house 1st! |
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| zach914v8 |
Jan 19 2017, 04:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 26-November 10 From: Houston Member No.: 12,426 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Mueller, old pal... Its like deja vu with you me and these hubs again. So the original plans have gone the way dodo bird? When are you getting your car back?
Interesting day today has turned out to be. Today, out of the blue the guy at the custom bug shop emailed me to let me know he has mocked up the hub and and is in the process of designing caliper mounts for dynalite calipers. Probably a month out. Only one problem, the Hub is 5 lug 5x130. Good news is it does fit 914 struts. I guess this is great for guys that want performance brakes and 5 lugs wheels. I don't want to buy new wheels again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) But I will if I have to. |
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| zach914v8 |
Jan 19 2017, 04:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 26-November 10 From: Houston Member No.: 12,426 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Hey Mueller, you said Bruce is selling them in the classified section, I can't for the life of me find them. Mind posting a link for me please?
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| Mueller |
Jan 19 2017, 06:11 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(zach914v8 @ Jan 19 2017, 02:32 PM) Mueller, old pal... Its like deja vu with you me and these hubs again. So the original plans have gone the way dodo bird? When are you getting your car back? Interesting day today has turned out to be. Today, out of the blue the guy at the custom bug shop emailed me to let me know he has mocked up the hub and and is in the process of designing caliper mounts for dynalite calipers. Probably a month out. Only one problem, the Hub is 5 lug 5x130. Good news is it does fit 914 struts. I guess this is great for guys that want performance brakes and 5 lugs wheels. I don't want to buy new wheels again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) But I will if I have to. Yep, we never learn do we? http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...hl=billet++hubs I just noticed 5 lug, my bad, I cannot remember if he had some 4 lug versions for sale or not, couldn't hurt to ask. Plans are someplace on one of my old computers I am sure, I know I have a hardcopy floating around in my garage someplace. |
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