914-6 2.7 Euro RS Twin Plug Project, sleeper 914 with a twin plug surprise |
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914-6 2.7 Euro RS Twin Plug Project, sleeper 914 with a twin plug surprise |
rgalla9146 |
Feb 3 2020, 10:51 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,690 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
Beautiful work.
Where did you source the distributor, cap and rotor ? |
Mark Henry |
Feb 3 2020, 01:14 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Beautiful work. Where did you source the distributor, cap and rotor ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Is that a stock OE Jag cap? I could never find one, mine uses a aftermarket black cap. I've heard these can have issues but so far no problems. On thing that will piss you off is you can't see that beautiful dizzy once in the teen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) My 3.0 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-26-1497554034_thumb.jpg) |
davehg |
Feb 3 2020, 08:43 PM
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Mikey914 |
Feb 4 2020, 11:05 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,745 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
One of my favorite colors lookin good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)
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eric9144 |
Jan 17 2022, 12:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,761 Joined: 30-March 11 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 12,876 Region Association: Southern California |
Wooow looking good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
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raynekat |
Jan 18 2022, 12:59 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,169 Joined: 30-December 14 From: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Member No.: 18,263 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I did 914-6 conversion that I just sold last fall that was a narrow body with 2.7 MFI and no front oil cooler.
I'm in the Portland, OR area so like you, didn't have too many hot days to worry about. The 2.7 engine put out almost 230 hp and sounds like a race car when you get on it. Great little car. Used a lot of factory 914-6, 911 parts in the build. Your basic "no expense spared" adventure. Here was my thread if you are interested. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=249327 |
Jett |
Jan 18 2022, 09:52 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 27-July 14 From: Seattle Member No.: 17,686 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I did 914-6 conversion that I just sold last fall that was a narrow body with 2.7 MFI and no front oil cooler. I'm in the Portland, OR area so like you, didn't have too many hot days to worry about. The 2.7 engine put out almost 230 hp and sounds like a race car when you get on it. Great little car. Used a lot of factory 914-6, 911 parts in the build. Your basic "no expense spared" adventure. Here was my thread if you are interested. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=249327 I talk about this car at least once a week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). We are building a 6 conversion with a 69 911S motor, and constantly reference this build… great work! |
mepstein |
Jan 18 2022, 10:49 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,731 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I did 914-6 conversion that I just sold last fall that was a narrow body with 2.7 MFI and no front oil cooler. I'm in the Portland, OR area so like you, didn't have too many hot days to worry about. The 2.7 engine put out almost 230 hp and sounds like a race car when you get on it. Great little car. Used a lot of factory 914-6, 911 parts in the build. Your basic "no expense spared" adventure. Here was my thread if you are interested. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=249327 I talk about this car at least once a week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). We are building a 6 conversion with a 69 911S motor, and constantly reference this build… great work! Yes. A reference build for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
campbellcj |
Jan 18 2022, 11:39 AM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,603 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California |
Beautiful work. Where did you source the distributor, cap and rotor ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Is that a stock OE Jag cap? I could never find one, mine uses a aftermarket black cap. I've heard these can have issues but so far no problems. On thing that will piss you off is you can't see that beautiful dizzy once in the teen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) FWIW my car has the JB Racing dizzy setup which has worked phenomenally. I have a spare cap and rotor in storage just in case. The caps are black though, not sure of brand. http://jbracing.com/eng_porsche.php#ignition |
brant |
Jan 18 2022, 11:48 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,853 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Beautiful work. Where did you source the distributor, cap and rotor ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Is that a stock OE Jag cap? I could never find one, mine uses a aftermarket black cap. I've heard these can have issues but so far no problems. On thing that will piss you off is you can't see that beautiful dizzy once in the teen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) FWIW my car has the JB Racing dizzy setup which has worked phenomenally. I have a spare cap and rotor in storage just in case. The caps are black though, not sure of brand. http://jbracing.com/eng_porsche.php#ignition the picture of the black cap shows hardware that is identical to the Jaguar replacement made currently. |
colingreene |
Mar 23 2023, 11:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 733 Joined: 17-October 13 From: Southern California Member No.: 16,526 Region Association: Southern California |
this thread needs updates
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BillJ |
Mar 23 2023, 12:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,254 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None |
Was curious why twin plug? RS pistons are low compression and twin plug will really provide no additional value to performance in that config. Twin plug is normally only on over 10.5 cr to ensure full ignition across a very domed piston. Its cool for sure but if a normal 2.7 RS then overkill.
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horizontally-opposed |
Mar 23 2023, 12:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,455 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
I did 914-6 conversion that I just sold last fall that was a narrow body with 2.7 MFI and no front oil cooler. I'm in the Portland, OR area so like you, didn't have too many hot days to worry about. The 2.7 engine put out almost 230 hp and sounds like a race car when you get on it. Great little car. Used a lot of factory 914-6, 911 parts in the build. Your basic "no expense spared" adventure. Here was my thread if you are interested. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=249327 ^ Gorgeous build—as much as I love the M471-flared cars, I really dig NB "subtle" builds. Mine is "just" a warm 2.2 w/200hp, but no need for a front cooler so far. Might be fun to get the white car above, Dave's blue car, and my old red crate together for some pics—red, white, blue... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
jfort |
Mar 23 2023, 02:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,146 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Love my 2.7 factory six. Crank fired, twin plug. About 220 HP. Front oil cooler. Love the shift to 3rd. The sound ... well you know. Had to go to PMO's. Worth it.
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rick 918-S |
Mar 24 2023, 04:22 AM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,869 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Very nice build. Top shelf (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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davehg |
Nov 11 2023, 01:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 19-September 17 From: PNW Member No.: 21,443 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Wow, hard to believe I've not updated this thread in long while. I've regularly posted on the Facebook group but forgot to update here.
THE PROJECT IS DONE!!!!!!!!!!! This week I took delivery of the 914. Small things remain - need to get the front height adjusted and then do another corner balance, and a few minor cosmetic niggles. The car is downright amazing. It is tight - feels like an integrated mechanical Swiss watch, it's so precise. The sound is f%$$##in glorious - there is nothing quite like a twin plug carbuerated engine sound at full throttle, especially at 4k+ RPM. I'm keeping it under 5k until I log 1000 miles, but it sounds so good I want to rev it all the time. I'll fill in the missing gaps from my last post, but have to thank Bernd Buschen and his colleague Mark Ronsfeldt at European Autowerks. There is zero chance this project would have turned out as well without Bernie - I consider him one of the top 914 experts in the world (plus he built Bruce McCaw's 917, so there's that). I'll start earlier and work my way up to the reveal With the engine in, we cut an access bay to enable easier service without having to drop the engine or wrench backs: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699732497.1.jpg) The front mounted cooler was a smaller one, so we didn't have to cut the front valence. There's enough gap between the bumper to enable lots of air to pass through. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699732497.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699732497.3.jpg) Here's a shot of Rich Johnston's mount - I love it much more than the Patrick Motorsports mount I have on my 3.2. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699732497.4.jpg) |
davehg |
Nov 11 2023, 02:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 19-September 17 From: PNW Member No.: 21,443 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Turning to the transmission, it was completely rebuilt (and a Wavetrac LSD installed).
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733007.1.jpg) I was keen to use the Tangerine Racing short shift kit that takes out the slop in the rear side shifter - I may eventually add a front shifter kit like the Wevo or JWest. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.2.jpg) Rebuilt the blower motors, and ended up having to redo the fuel tank which had a small leak. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.4.jpg) No expense spared in getting it to look factory. Oil lines were finished to the back, and sourced a nice catch can mounted in the lower fender well (inside the engine bay) that was powder coated. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.6.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735160.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734956.1.jpg) Axles rebuilt with stronger CV joints (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.7.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.8.jpg) For headlights, I went with a pair of these Holley LED's. The build quality is amazing, and the light emulates vintage soft yellow glow, but they throw a nice beam. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699736105.1.jpg) At long last, just the interior and trim remained. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699733008.9.jpg) |
davehg |
Nov 11 2023, 02:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 19-September 17 From: PNW Member No.: 21,443 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
For the interior, I struggled on whether to go completely stock with a back pad, or follow what I did for the 3.2 (Perlon, no back pad). Lots of research and discussion with my interior guy, but I finally decided to go with Lakewell carpet (they are in Belgium and one of the top Porsche interior providers).
I chose the charcoal hargaan velour which is used in the 911, and really makes the interior pop. The quality is on par with 911 OEM and very much an upgrade over stock Porsche 914 stuff I've used, and much more stout than Perlon. It took a while to make it to the states, and I had to email them to get enough fabric for the back pad, which my upholstery shop custom stitched. Note how they covered the center beam and the rear lower B panel gap with vinyl that looks more like leather. We used All City Convertibles, which many Rgruppe folks use in the PNW. Matt, the owner, loves Porsches and has done many cars including several that were in Panorama and Excellence. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734162.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.2.jpg) Since I have an early car, had to weld in the adjuster to enable the passenger seat to tilt. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.3.jpg) For the doors, I dropped the idea of using RS doors. I have these in my 3.2 and while they work for that car, this car has more of a touring feel rather than a race car feel. I had a set of AppBiz door panels, but their fit and finish was not up to the rest of the interior standards, so they were recovered and refit. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.4.jpg) The dash was a fun part. I had earlier found a complete wiring harness on Bay and this was scavenged for the switches and various bits. Went with a mostly stock dash, but decided to do a GT style fuel gauge rather than a multi gauge (I was inspired by Bernie's legendary GT build). Bernie had an angled mount welded up to accept a fuel gauge (though I really wanted to do a silver dot mod - maybe one day), and it turned out awesome as the interior shop was able to mold the basket weave around it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.5.jpg) I used 914Rubber parts liberally here, including some of the A and B pillar parts, and the targa pad. I struggled with their dash pad - the early cars may have fitment issues, and there was a sizable gap from the stock knee bar pad with their replacement dash. Mine may be an exception as I see many others without the fitment problem (later cars I think). You can see the bow in the dash pad, and numerous efforts to refit it didn't work. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.6.jpg) Again, Bernie to the rescue as he sourced an OEM dash that fit perfectly. I didn't have the same issues with the targa bar pads, which fit great and look good, as do the stock visors. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.7.jpg) I was planning on using the stock seats, but they don't have much lateral support. I do drives with fellow RGruppe guys and we can get a bit spirited, so I looked at various options. GTS Classic is not producing seats any longer (I think they just sell kits now). Then a pair of OEM Scheel Mann seats, reupholstered in original fabric, fell into my lap for a decent price. They look and feel excellent. Note the seatbelts - four point Sparco belts attached using Mittlemotor harness mounts on the rear firewall. I hope to replace the sparco labels with some Repa labels just to be more period correct. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734803.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699734163.8.jpg) |
davehg |
Nov 11 2023, 02:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 19-September 17 From: PNW Member No.: 21,443 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The moment of truth on the first start up.
and my first drive. The car was finished, and it was spectacular! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735988.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735988.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735988.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735988.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735988.5.jpg) I finished it off with a sticker that inspired my build. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699739136.1.jpg) At Rennsport many years back, I met Don Leatherwood, who was Brumos' racing crew chief and responsible for their many cars including the many #59 914-6s. I talked at length with Don about 914s and my project - probably one of the nicest guys, and he introduced me to Hurley Haywood who had nice things to say about his time racing in a 914. That, coupled with seeing the Troutman 914, inspired me to choose the 914 as my first Porsche despite everyone else pushing me to get a longhood 911. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-21443-1699735988.6.jpg) What's left? Affixing the gold 914 vw emblem on the rear, a few minor teething niggles, and mostly getting enough seat time so I can hit redline. And upholstering a set of speaker grill covers in black leather to hide the air pipes for the heat. Lots of folks to thank along the way here: - Bruce Stone and Rich at 914werke for lots of hard to find bits - Ben McFarland for the oil tank, heat exchangers, and the muffler (it sounds perfect on this car) - Mikey and the team at 914Rubber - they came through with many hard to find pieces and their customer service is terrific - this build would be near impossible without their many great parts - so many in the 914 community for advice and inspiring thread builds - probably thank my wife too for not asking what it cost (The first number is at least a six and very likely a 7 - there's no shortcuts to a build of this quality.) My build goal shifted over time when I first started this project. I wanted initially just to do a narrow body 914 conversion that was nicer and less aggressive than my 914 3.2 build (it's a track beast). Over time, as I did more research, I thought it would be cool to build the car Porsche might have built if they continued the 914-6 past 1972. In 1973, they introduced the 2.7 in the 911 Carrera RS, which they continued until 1976 (albeit as an MFI motor in Europe and a CIS motor in the US). So I thought - how cool if Porsche had built a 914-6 RS touring, which wouldn't be the wide body GT build of the 916 or the Brutus car, but a narrow body, purpose-built touring car. It would have absolutely used the 2.7 of the early G bodied cars, though I doubt it would've ever been offered as a twin plug (that was a racing thing). Once you've driven and heard a twin plug, you can't get that sound out of your head, and that's why I knew I needed to include in my build. My first true experience with a Porsche was as a passenger in Chad McQueen's twin plug 2.5 short stroke, and that sound never leaves you (it was my ring tone for a while). In the time I started this project, I've added a 74 911s to the garage. Next week, it goes in for an engine swap, from the stock 2.7CIS to a proper 2.7 RS MFI build. Like this build, I'm going for the car that Porsche didn't build - a narrow bodied touring car without the boy-racer wings and hips (very much in the vein of the current GT3 RS Touring). It will be fun to sample that 2.7 MFI and compare to this twin plug 2.7 (and my experience in the 911's current 2.7 CIS, which will be stored as it is numbers matching). |
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