Challenge to anyone who knows-Still struggling with turn signals, cancel ring tab, turn signal operation Options

[domer914]

So I have discovered that the black tab on the cancel ring has zero bearing on turn signal cancellation. How the hell is that?

I have been troubleshooting the fact that left turn signals cancel, and right turn signals will not. So I discovered that I have this problem regardless of how the ring is installed. The black tab can sit at 12, 3, 6 or 9 o'clock, and right turn signals will not cancel, while left will.

arghhh

[TheCabinetmaker]

Are you referring to the ring on the steering wheel?

[domer914]

Are you referring to the ring on the steering wheel?

Yes, the ring with the large black tab that protrudes at 90 degrees from the ring itself.

[Elliot Cannon]

The tab on the ring on the steering wheel can wear out. I bought a new one (VW part). I had another one and I think I sold it at a swap meet. Auto Atlanta sell them for $39. Sierra Madre has one for $120. ???? I actually modified this one for a reason I can't remember. Maybe because of the quick disconnect for my steering wheel. (the memory is going fast). I think I had to file the tab down a bit. It works fine though.

[Elliot Cannon]

This one might work. https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXCELLENT-USED-ORI...emL&vxp=mtr

[SirAndy]

Jack up the front of your car so both wheels are off the ground, only use the ring and hub without the steering wheel and see why it doesn't cancel.

The mechanics are easy, you should be able to spot the problem without much trouble.

Not only can the tab on the ring wear, but also the tab on the turn signal lever that is being pushed.
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[TheCabinetmaker]

You need to look at the actual assembly mounted to the column. The white plastic pieces at the 3&9 o'clock position. Is there anything missing on the right one?

[mzalanka]

This is with the new turn signal switch you posted about before? You got that installed, or the problem is with the old switch, or both?

[domer914]

Jack up the front of your car so both wheels are off the ground, only use the ring and hub without the steering wheel and see why it doesn't cancel.

The mechanics are easy, you should be able to spot the problem without much trouble.

Not only can the tab on the ring wear, but also the tab on the turn signal lever that is being pushed.
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all my tabs (black on the cancel ring and white on the turn signal stalk) are brand new. This is a real head-shaker.

[domer914]

This is with the new turn signal switch you posted about before? You got that installed, or the problem is with the old switch, or both?

problem is with both, actually--meaning the new switch did not solve the problem

[TheCabinetmaker]

The 4 long screws that hold the switch to the column can cause all sorts of problems if they are too tight.

[domer914]

The 4 long screws that hold the switch to the column can cause all sorts of problems if they are too tight.

thank you for that. Let's assume that I loosen them slightly and they are just right. Then at what location on a clock dial should the black tab on the cancel ring be located on the hub? Seems to me it should rest at 9 o'clock since the white tab is at 3 o'clock, but I don't really know.

[TheCabinetmaker]

It only works in one location. Unfortunately, I can't tell you which one is correct.

Hold everything! I just noticed from your picture you have an aftermarket steering wheel. I had to move mine and drill new holes when I installed a new wheel.

[TheCabinetmaker]

Just slip the cancel ring on the shaft, engage the signal, and see where the tab cancels both.

[Elliot Cannon]

It only works in one location. Unfortunately, I can't tell you which one is correct.

Hold everything! I just noticed from your picture you have an aftermarket steering wheel. I had to move mine and drill new holes when I installed a new wheel.

Actually those pics were mine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) And yes, it's an aftermarket wheel.

[TheCabinetmaker]

Lol. I guess I should look to see who went with that picture.

[SirAndy]

Just slip the cancel ring on the shaft, engage the signal, and see where the tab cancels both.

That's what i've been trying to tell him, just try it, it's pretty obvious and easy to test ...
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[Jonathan Livesay]

The tab on the steering wheel should be oriented so that it is directly opposite the turn signal lever when the front wheels are pointing straight ahead. If you have the wheel upside down on the workbench the tab would be at 9 o'clock.

[mzalanka]

Something is obviously not lining up to allow the R hand cancellation.

If you pull the wheel and watch the little white tab on the switch as you flip it L-R, you'll see that the white tab doesn't extend in the same place. On my (new) switch, it flips out and a little bit up for a L hand activation. With a R hand activation it extends down and not quite as far out.

L hand activation:


R hand activation:


I had the same problem with some turns not cancelling after installing the new turn signal switch. What worked for me was to use some loctite-brand plastic epoxy putty to "build up" the outside of the black semicircle on the steering wheel a few mm. That helped that plastic ring make contact with the white tab. Now it cancels fine all the time.

The other respondents are right that you'll need to fiddle with it and isolate the problem to figure out what's wrong with your setup.

FWIW - I have my black plastic ring installed at 3 o'clock. Maybe I should try reinstalling at 9 o'clock to see how that works.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Jonathan Livesay]

Something is obviously not lining up to allow the R hand cancellation.


FWIW - I have my black plastic ring installed at 3 o'clock. Maybe I should try reinstalling at 9 o'clock to see how that works.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I guess I wasn't clear enough, when the wheel is on the car the tab is at 3 o'clock, when it's upside down in your lap and you are attaching the ring it's 9 o'clock. Does that make sense?