dyno run for 2366 with Web street cam and DLRA 45s Options

[98101]

I bought this car a couple months ago, and wrestling with problems that I expected, and some I didn't expect.

Dyno shop got a noticeable performance improvement by reaming out the main jets. We played with the timing curve a little bit also. Unfortunately the clutch is contaminated or something and sometimes interfered with torque readings.

Now that I've read more about 2366 longevity, I'm not sure I'd opt for it. It sounds great and pulls harder than I'm used to in a 914 though.

[914work]

This is from the Carb Connection in Totem Lake?
120hp /140tq seems low for 2.4L motor, what kind of exhaust is on it?

[ConeDodger]

This is from the Carb Connection in Totem Lake?
120hp /140tq seems low for 2.4L motor, what kind of exhaust is on it?

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He’d be in the 180 +- Range at the crank. My 2432 was in the 220 Range...

[98101]

This is from the Carb Connection in Totem Lake?
120hp /140tq seems low for 2.4L motor, what kind of exhaust is on it?

Yes. I worked with Alex there. Seems like a good place. The reason I went in is kind of a long story.

The car came with big headers, I thought. So I'm living without a heater or defogger for nothing? I can find the actual dimensions when I get back home.

[MarkV]

Once you get the clutch slip fixed I bet the #'s go way up.

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[914work]

Hmmm, I only ask as the only exp. Ive had with them was rebuilding my the carb on my daughters Festy ... HUGE BILL $$$. I almost walked but they worked with me discounting it.

So what are you concerns about Longevity?
Are you referring to Iron cyl's?

[98101]

Hmmm, I only ask as the only exp. Ive had with them was rebuilding my the carb on my daughters Festy ... HUGE BILL $$$. I almost walked but they worked with me discounting it.

So what are you concerns about Longevity?
Are you referring to Iron cyl's?

Yes, it wasn't a cheap visit for me either: $400 for several runs and some tuning. They didn't charge me for noticing the VW shop had forgotten to screw down the main jet stack on one of my new DRLA 45s.

For what it's worth, here's what the previous owner used:

[pete000]

Gottal Love the 123 programmable distributor !

[98101]

120hp /140tq seems low for 2.4L motor, what kind of exhaust is on it?

I believe this is the exhaust Tim used from "Paragon Products":

[Elliot Cannon]

Once you get the clutch slip fixed I bet the #'s go way up.

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I agree. My 2.2 did 147 hp @ 5300 rpm. with 44idf's.

[98101]

Once you get the clutch slip fixed I bet the #'s go way up.

In the previous owner's records I found a receipt for a clutch disk in February 2017. It seems to be adjusted properly. I don't think he drove it that much, so my theory is that the clutch is contaminated rather than worn out.

If the streets in Seattle ever dry out I guess I'll notice the slipping clutch more often.

[VaccaRabite]

Your clutch is slipping probably any time you are putting your foot down.
As a reference point, my 2056 dynoed at numbers greater then your 2366. You are WAY under potential power.

I agree with the others that your clutch is limiting you. Anyway you do it, you need to pull the transmission and clean or replace the clutch.

The longevity issue with the 2366 is heat. The head temps are pretty high and they don't last as long as other builds. You can mitigate it with $$$ pistons and cylinders and head work. But I'd not worry about it. Get it running properly and enjoy the power. You are going to have a very fast 914.

Zach

[somd914]

Concur with the others, take a look at the clutch, fortunately that's a relatively easy job with a helper.

For further reference, my 2258 running 44 IDFs dyno'ed at 155 HP at 5000 RPM, max torque 175 lb-ft at 3000 RPM, measured at the crank.

[MarkV]

Get that clutch fixed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

[Larmo63]

I wonder if the Cosmoline was ever cleaned off of the flywheel?

[98101]

I wonder if the Cosmoline was ever cleaned off of the flywheel?

Tomorrow I'll be visiting a mechanic mentor who has a full shop (including a lift) but no 914 experience (though he had a Boxster in his shop last time I visited with my Miata). I first wanted to find out why it's leaking oil and transmission fluid but now I'm guessing we should inspect the clutch and flywheel as well.

[98101]

The longevity issue with the 2366 is heat. The head temps are pretty high and they don't last as long as other builds. You can mitigate it with $$$ pistons and cylinders and head work. But I'd not worry about it. Get it running properly and enjoy the power. You are going to have a very fast 914.

I'm excited to hear that! I hope you're right. It already feels faster (and sounds better) than the single carb 2.0 I had in the 1980s.

Synchromesh is shot in every gear except 3rd. I'm hoping Dr. Evil makes a stop here sometime.

Regarding the head temps, the car does have a front oil cooler, CHT gauge, and oil temperature gauge. And it doesn't get as hot here as where the PO built it. And I'm more likely to track my cheap 91 Miata than this car. Maybe I'll be OK?

[914_teener]

Gottal Love the 123 programmable distributor !

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The curve underneath the dyno looks right on the money.

Looks to be the least of the problem(s) with the car.

[North Coast Jim]

The longevity issue with the 2366 is heat. The head temps are pretty high and they don't last as long as other builds. You can mitigate it with $$$ pistons and cylinders and head work. But I'd not worry about it. Get it running properly and enjoy the power. You are going to have a very fast 914.

I'm excited to hear that! I hope you're right. It already feels faster (and sounds better) than the single carb 2.0 I had in the 1980s.

Synchromesh is shot in every gear except 3rd. I'm hoping Dr. Evil makes a stop here sometime.

Regarding the head temps, the car does have a front oil cooler, CHT gauge, and oil temperature gauge. And it doesn't get as hot here as where the PO built it. And I'm more likely to track my cheap 91 Miata than this car. Maybe I'll be OK?

Send the tranny to Dr Evil. Use a Rubbermaid trash container and wrap the tranny in carpet. Send by truck. Don't forget to drain it beforehand. About $300 I'm told.

[Dr Evil]

The longevity issue with the 2366 is heat. The head temps are pretty high and they don't last as long as other builds. You can mitigate it with $$$ pistons and cylinders and head work. But I'd not worry about it. Get it running properly and enjoy the power. You are going to have a very fast 914.

I'm excited to hear that! I hope you're right. It already feels faster (and sounds better) than the single carb 2.0 I had in the 1980s.

Synchromesh is shot in every gear except 3rd. I'm hoping Dr. Evil makes a stop here sometime.

Regarding the head temps, the car does have a front oil cooler, CHT gauge, and oil temperature gauge. And it doesn't get as hot here as where the PO built it. And I'm more likely to track my cheap 91 Miata than this car. Maybe I'll be OK?

Send the tranny to Dr Evil. Use a Rubbermaid trash container and wrap the tranny in carpet. Send by truck. Don't forget to drain it beforehand. About $300 I'm told.

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Feel free to ship to me, shipping is about $100 each way. I can fill you or anyone in on the details if ya PM me. As for PNW clinic, no set date, but later next year at earliest. I have to move houses, accrue time off, build garage, spruce up and sell other house, take over world, the usual. I plan to suspend building after I finish the ones I have on the bench (now that I have parts), so I may be a minute until I can get to yours if you wait. Always happy to answer questions.