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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 06:54 PM
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#6501
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Mixed with a bit of dye, the oil glows orange.
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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 06:55 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I poured the entire bottle into the oil fill, and check the UV reaction.
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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 06:57 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I first ran the engine for about 30 seconds, to see if there is an obvious leak. Underneath with UV light I only found some residue that did not get cleaned off. And no orange.
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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 07:00 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I then did 60 seconds (idle), 5 minutes (idle), and 5 minutes with some revving up to about 2500 rpm. Nothing visible in UV underneath. I checked the oil on the dipstick and still got some orange, but maybe less than before, and more blue.
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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 07:07 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I then did two sessions of about 8 to 10 minutes, with running and revving at 3000 to almost 5000 rpm. The temp gauge got into normal warmed-up range, and my new oil pressure gauge showed about 40 psi at 4000 rpm.
Underneath I found a bit of new oil dripped down--but no orange under UV. At this point, any oil, new or old, showed only as blue. This now reduces the utility of the UV. Attached thumbnail(s) |
bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 07:11 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I spent a lot of time looking with UV, and took a lot of pictures. My best guess is that I have a leak from the upper oil galley plug. Way back I had the original plugs pulled and the case threaded. During my second rebuild, I installed the threaded plugs with Weld-on White Seal Plus thread sealant.
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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 07:31 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I also found a path of oil on the angular case piece that leads up to the oil cooler. This was not really wet, and the uncertainty about the dyed oil makes me unsure.
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bkrantz |
Jun 20 2023, 07:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Bottom line, I am pretty sure that at least one threaded plug is leaking, and have a maybe on oil cooler seals. When it cools down I will look more carefully.
But I am disappointed that the UV dye gave up its color, and made it harder to recognize new leaks. Attached thumbnail(s) |
930cabman |
Jun 21 2023, 11:15 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,697 Joined: 12-November 20 From: Buffalo Member No.: 24,877 Region Association: North East States |
I feel your pain, built a 2056 and she runs great. Chasing an oil leak in the same area, I found one of the new aluminum tapped plugs was leaking. Completed an (attempted) repair in place. Thought I had it, but I am still getting a small leak in the same area.
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Puebloswatcop |
Jun 21 2023, 05:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 27-December 14 From: Mineola, Texas Member No.: 18,258 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Bob, Sorry you didn't have better luck with the UV dye. I have had good success in the past, so not sure why it didn't produce better results. I hope you can at least seal up the oil plug leak.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:48 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I took another look today, with regular light. Here is the biggest oil drip, which I think came from the galley plug.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:49 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Hard to see, but a possible second leak might be from the oil cooler seals.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
And so I stripped everything off the top of the motor, and disconnected all wires, cables, and fuel lines.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
This time I put a bright red rag in the oil filler cavity. You might remember that last time I tucked a paper towel in there, forgot about it, and then tried to fill the engine with oil and made a BIG mess.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:54 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Underneath, I removed the muffler, shift rod, and some sheet metal, and disconnected all the cables and half-shafts. I then got my plywood cradle and motorcycle jack in place.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:56 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
A piece of cardboard on each side to protect the sheet metal from the nuts in the trailing arm pivots.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:59 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Then time to undo the cross beam bolts and the transaxle mount bolts, and lower the engine down. It took me about 4 hours, taking my time and with a few distractions.
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bkrantz |
Jun 22 2023, 08:59 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,150 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Ready for the second attempt to find and fix oil leaks.
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Cairo94507 |
Jun 23 2023, 07:55 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,095 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Man, I feel for you. Gotta love your determination chasing that leak.
I still have a couple on my car but they will have to wait until we drop the motor/transaxle to address them. Maybe over the winter that will happen. Right now I get 2 dime-sized drips when parked after a week or so. No where near how bad it was as we solved a few of the easy to do leaks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Puebloswatcop |
Jun 23 2023, 04:52 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 27-December 14 From: Mineola, Texas Member No.: 18,258 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Bob, I gotta say your love and dedication to this car is awesome. Don't give up, I know you will track this down
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