0-60 for a 914/6 with 3.2? Options

[tomeric914]

Ok, not a 3.2 but here is my drag strip slip from OLOA2016

This is a stock big port 3.0 running MegaSquirt fuel injection. Video link below. Amazing how slow it looks, lol.

0-80 in ~9 sec

0-100 in ~14 sec



https://www.facebook.com/OneLap914/videos/504026593139008/

[mb911]

13.90 is really good 1/4 mile.

My highly modded 77 firebird ran that well with major work and Bunch more cubic inch back in my highschool days..

[Chi-town]

My 02' WRX wagon ran 13.20 with bolt ons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Superhawk996]

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

@chi-town
Keeping up the tradition.

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



Let's keep things in perspective. 2018 Toyota Camry XSE 1/4 Mile = 14.3

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/camr...st-test-review/

With fully funcitonal heat, A/C, modern crash safety, ABS, ESC, starts flawlessly at -20F and has virtually zero emissions as compared to a 914.

Don't get me wrong, I love vintage cars but let's not kid ourselves, the good old days weren't so good. Modern cars do amazing things that we now take for granted.

[Tdskip]

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

@chi-town
Keeping up the tradition.

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



Let's keep things in perspective. 2018 Toyota Camry XSE 1/4 Mile = 14.3

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/camr...st-test-review/

With fully funcitonal heat, A/C, modern crash safety, ABS, ESC, starts flawlessly at -20F and has virtually zero emissions as compared to a 914.

Don't get me wrong, I love vintage cars but let's not kid ourselves, the good old days weren't so good. Modern cars do amazing things that we now take for granted.

With no soul, objectively better but subjectively worse.

[mb911]

For me our old cars are about the sound, smells, and feedback..

18 years or so I started mkexhuast.com and that was what that was based on.. The new owner has morphed the focus but thats another story..

I really like the ability to hope in something lame like my silverado when I want and something sporty when I want as well.

[GeorgeRud]

Yeah, you’re comparing apples to oranges on a drag strip. Take a well balanced, big engined 914-6 out on a twisty road and you’ll come back with a big grin on your face you can’t wash off!

If you want 0-60, look at electric cars with maximum torque at 0 rpm.

[Chi-town]

Yeah, you’re comparing apples to oranges on a drag strip. Take a well balanced, big engined 914-6 out on a twisty road and you’ll come back with a big grin on your face you can’t wash off!

If you want 0-60, look at electric cars with maximum torque at 0 rpm.

Or an a tow truck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

There is something to be said about the reliability of a modern drivetrain in an old shell.

[GeorgeRud]

There’s an outfit that’s making a conversion kit for a classic 911 to install a Tesla drivetrain. Should make for an interesting vehicle though purists will shudder!

[GeorgeRud]

[tomeric914]

Where's that WRX Wagon today? What about that Camry 45 years from now? Will they be here? Will anyone care?

Reliability, hmm... it's a bone stock '78 911 SC motor that has never been torn down or rebuilt, no clue how many miles are on it, has had the snot beat out of it for the past 10+ years at the track, survived OLOA with no failures and ran multiple 13.9s at the strip. Let that sink in, all on a 41 year old motor...

How many 40+ year old Toyotas and Subarus are out there that can do the same?

ZFG here, I was only providing data...

My 02' WRX wagon ran 13.20 with bolt ons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

@chi-town
Keeping up the tradition.

These days if it's not a sub 13 second car it's not considered fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



Let's keep things in perspective. 2018 Toyota Camry XSE 1/4 Mile = 14.3

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/camr...st-test-review/

With fully funcitonal heat, A/C, modern crash safety, ABS, ESC, starts flawlessly at -20F and has virtually zero emissions as compared to a 914.

Don't get me wrong, I love vintage cars but let's not kid ourselves, the good old days weren't so good. Modern cars do amazing things that we now take for granted.

[Superhawk996]

With no soul, objectively better but subjectively worse.

You are absolutely right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That is why I love 914's, air cooled engines just have a certain soul.

[Superhawk996]

Yeah, you’re comparing apples to oranges on a drag strip. Take a well balanced, big engined 914-6 out on a twisty road and you’ll come back with a big grin on your face you can’t wash off!

If you want 0-60, look at electric cars with maximum torque at 0 rpm.

On both accounts you are absolutely correct. 914's were designed for handling, not for outright acceleration. We lose sight of that here in the states. Too many straight roads and drivers with no talent.

I've looked at the data extensively. Most drivers will not / cannot exceed about 0.33G without severe sphinter puckering and thinking that they are nearing the vehicles lateral grip limit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[Superhawk996]

Where's that WRX Wagon today? What about that Camry 45 years from now? Will they be here? Will anyone care?

@tomeric914

I apologize if I came off as bagging on your 1/4 mile time or your car. I absolutely love the sight, sound, and smell of a 911 six. You are correct in that it is a tough, yet iconic engine that will always have a place in history long after anyone cares about a Camry.

My only point was that 0-60 or 1/4 mile times are not the measure of a 914's worth. Regardless of what powertrain is put in it, a 914 will not compete with modern high horsepower AWD cars.

Especially EV's. I don't care what you do to a 914 you aren't going to get to a 10.72 1/4 mile time that can be driven by any warm body that happens to hold a drivers license. Zero talent required as compared to getting any vintage vehicle to this sort of 1/4 mile time.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/vi...dicrous-update/

[tomeric914]

@Superhawk996

No worries mate, I didn't take it as such. Even I said it was slow in my post.

I will say this, I was shocked that it ran in the 13's. I was expecting 15's.

Now for the kicker, we came in 3rd place overall at the drag strip out of ~70 competitors with OLOA that night. I broke out to a Viper by something like .01 seconds. Of all the events to podium on it was the drag race. Whoda thunk?

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/event/Resul...&eventId=36

[Cracker]

[quote name='Superhawk996' date='Dec 31 2019, 03:14 PM' post='2773687']
I don't care what you do to a 914 you aren't going to get to a 10.72 1/4 mile time that can be driven by any warm body that happens to hold a drivers license. Zero talent required as compared to getting any vintage vehicle to this sort of 1/4 mile time.

I might have to take exception with you here...and the EV's fall off over 120 too, by the way. We have a couple Model S sedans in the family. Also, are you speaking from experience or opinion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Cracker

[Superhawk996]

I might have to take exception with you here...and the EV's fall off over 120 too. Are you speaking from experience or opinion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Cracker


@Cracker

I agree with you that most EV's acceleration falls off as speeds increase and back EMF of an electric motor increases. Short of the drag strip, not many folks ever run EV's (or ICE for that matter)into that speed territory.

However, my broader point spoken both from experience (having driven Tesla Model S P100D AWD in Ludicrous Mode) and from physics is that a 914 will have a very hard time getting enough tire grip, a wide enough rear tire, and enough weight transfer on launch on daily driveable, streetable 914 to run a 10.72 quarter mile. I'm open to being wrong on this if a timing slip can be produced. Modern AWD EV's and high HP AWD performance cars on the other hand, are now a one pedal affair that can be easily driven to what used to be unimaginable (for production vehicles) 1/4 mile times by anyone.

The end game being a discussion that you can pour a whole lot of $$ into a 914 with a big motor but in the end, there is always the challenge of grounding all that power. Without AWD, a 914 will be disadvantaged to a modern vehicle with AWD. Just simple physics.

Just to be clear, I'm not trashing anyone with big motor. If I hit the lottery I'd probably put a Singer/Ed Pink 4.0L in one just for giggles. However, I wouldn't be surprised when I lose a stop light drag race to a EV with no soul. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Superhawk996]

Now for the kicker, we came in 3rd place overall at the drag strip out of ~70 competitors with OLOA that night. I broke out to a Viper by something like .01 seconds. Of all the events to podium on it was the drag race. Whoda thunk?

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/event/Resul...&eventId=36

This is a great showing for the vintage 914/6 among a sea of more modern competiton.

Vipers are a great example of what I'm talking about. Lots of HP and lot's of drama to get a good launch on one (spoken from experience (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). Borderline scary to drive in the rain at elevated highway speeds (80-90 mph) due to the HUGE rear tires that are necessary to ground the power (well it tries to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ). 1996 GTS Coupe would be on my lottery list too, but, at a 12.3 second 1/4 mile, it too would get beaten by a Tesla Model S P100D (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[ConeDodger]

Fish climbing trees...

No curves, no fun.

[Superhawk996]

No curves, no fun.

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