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| SuperSquid |
 Jun 29 2020, 06:54 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 26-February 20 From: Louisville Kentucky Member No.: 23,972 Region Association: South East States  |
I installed my new AA piston in my type 2 bus engine yesterday and was wondering if it matters how the pistons are oriented in the cylinders? I guess I have a 50/50 shot of getting it right! Any thoughts? Thanks
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| 914e |
Jun 29 2020, 07:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 21-February 20 From: Arizona Member No.: 23,951 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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Since the pistons are clearanced for the valves, if you have it upside down the valves will hit the pistons. It has been over 30 years since I built an engine, but I'm pretty sure the valves are at the top of the head.
I will let others confirm. |
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| roblav1 |
Jun 29 2020, 08:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 528 Joined: 18-September 12 From: KY Member No.: 14,943 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Since the intake valves are bigger and have more lift and duration, I'll swag and say they're correctly oriented. But someone with more expertise than I would know.
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| Montreal914 |
Jun 29 2020, 09:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,541 Joined: 8-August 10 From: Claremont, CA Member No.: 12,023 Region Association: Southern California
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Sorry to break the news but your pistons are upside down (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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| davep |
Jun 30 2020, 06:55 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
I don't quite understand. I have 3 different types of 2.0 pistons. The deep dish bus, the shallow dish North American, and the no dish European piston. None have valve clearance reliefs. My pistons also have arrows that point to the flywheel.
If my flat top pistons do not require valve pockets, then that would suggest those pistons do not have valve pockets either, just a relief to lower compression. This does not mean that you do not have them upside down. |
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| barefoot |
Jun 30 2020, 07:58 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,268 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Charleston SC Member No.: 15,673 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Montreal914 @ Jun 29 2020, 11:25 PM)  Yes, the valves angle upwards, so you're upside down. These are aftermarket pistons intended for cams with more than stock lift. Both intake & exhaust are side by side, not hemi like as in Porsche 6 cylinder heads |
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| SuperSquid |
Jun 30 2020, 08:51 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 26-February 20 From: Louisville Kentucky Member No.: 23,972 Region Association: South East States |
Thank you everyone for the great advice. The top of the pistons is flat with a concaved grove so I do not think the valves can hit anything. I think I am going to flip them just to be safe.
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| SirAndy |
Jun 30 2020, 10:18 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,602 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(SuperSquid @ Jun 30 2020, 07:51 AM) Thank you everyone for the great advice. The top of the pistons is flat with a concaved grove so I do not think the valves can hit anything. I think I am going to flip them just to be safe. Hold the head right next to it and look at the angle of the valves in the head and which way they will move when mounted. You'll know exactly where the relieve needs to go ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| Carbon-14 |
Jul 1 2020, 12:28 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 765 Joined: 7-May 20 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 24,238 Region Association: Canada |
Better be sure the rings are gapped to the correct dimension, yes, you did have them upside down. Check the cold clearances of the piston to cylinder wall, to make sure it won't seize when running. Measure piston's height to cylinder head clearance, important to avoid big bangs for bucks. Buy new rod bolts and torque to spec, you did measure clearance's of new bearings. Everthing is spotless clean, right ?
Easy to do things wrong, without instruction or experience. All the info is right here. https://sites.google.com/site/stpsgarage/Te...ndersforinstall https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-happened-in...kswa-1819961495 |
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| Mark Henry |
Jul 1 2020, 07:33 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Upside down (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
So is my pic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-26-1403278590.jpg) |
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| 914e |
Jul 1 2020, 07:42 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 21-February 20 From: Arizona Member No.: 23,951 Region Association: Southwest Region
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I'm guessing valve clearance is still checked with modeling clay. Generally when pistons are relieved for valve clearance there is a higher chance of contact do to higher compression and/ or higher cam lift. I would assemble it and check the clearances.
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| Mark Henry |
Jul 1 2020, 08:00 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
It's for a low CR bus with camper special heads, as long as you're not running a wild cam you only have to worry about the deck height and the CR calculation.
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