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GT Cooler Question |
RiqueMar |
Jul 18 2020, 05:11 PM
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Enrique Allen Mar Group: Members Posts: 2,179 Joined: 28-August 08 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 9,478 Region Association: Southern California |
For everybody out there running a GT style cooler, would you mind posting a few photos of your cooling setup and fans?
Currently re-routing my system to use a SETRAB type cooler (example here: Patrick Motorsports Website) however I don't see any reference to fans, and it doesn't seem as though it's an option to purchase. Also, appreciate any 'pointers' in the right direction when it comes to vendors that might have similar products / solutions. Thanks in advance for your help! |
sixnotfour |
Jul 18 2020, 05:37 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,645 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Gts where fast = air flow
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Retroracer |
Jul 18 2020, 05:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 621 Joined: 7-July 13 From: Bend OR Member No.: 16,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Hi - so for my 2.2 six based GT tribute, I used a Behr oil cooler from an old 300D Mercedes. Sourced from a pick-n-pull. It fits nicely in the space under the shroud, you just have to deal with the metric threads and the placement of the inlet/outlet (one each end; its a single pass, unike the original GT ones which were double pass). I recall it cost me more to have it flushed & pressure tested as it did to buy from the yard....!
So like the GT, no fans used. I run a thermostat near the oil tank and 10AN lines running up and down the rocker panels. In CA weather I rarely see oil temp above 80degC (bear in mind I also have the forced air cooler on the engine too). Hope this helps? Photos below show build progress; I made a up a long bracket to support it which ends being part of the front end reinforcment. Also, I didn't do the full floor cut out - just two openings near the back of the shroud to vent the hot air. - Tony |
Retroracer |
Jul 18 2020, 05:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 621 Joined: 7-July 13 From: Bend OR Member No.: 16,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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mepstein |
Jul 18 2020, 05:45 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,609 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
20 row Setrab with fan pack and thermostat switch.
Air comes in through the stock holes in the front body panel and exits through the body plugs. Attached thumbnail(s) |
SirAndy |
Jul 18 2020, 05:46 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,897 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I don't run any fans on mine, the only time i've ever seen oil temp get up to 210-ish was when i got stuck in stop & go traffic in Salt Lake City with 100+ ambient temp.
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Steve |
Jul 18 2020, 06:45 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,735 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
Same with my 3.2. When stuck in traffic it would get hot. I installed an in-line -12 fan thermostat from summit racing.
https://www.summitracing.com/search/product...Order=Ascending Patrick use to sell the fans that fit perfect on his setrab cooler. I bought the same ones from Amazon. I have the part number some where. I installed a relay with the thermostat. Never have to worry about it over heating. Like a modern car the fan comes on and stays on until it cools down. He used to sell the fans separately https://patrickmotorsports.com/products/oil-set-fp920m221 |
Steve |
Jul 18 2020, 07:04 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,735 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
They sell a pusher and a puller fan. So depends on where you mount them . Spal 30103013 5.2" Paddle Blade Pusher Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009OBP182/ref=cm...i_uU5eFbFP0DH9Z
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GeorgeRud |
Jul 18 2020, 07:30 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I think using mb911’s oil lines also help dissipate heat along their length instead of the braided hoses. My conversion just used a Turbotrol cooler in front to control temps with AN-12 lines with good results.
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sixnotfour |
Jul 18 2020, 07:49 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,645 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I think using mb911’s oil lines also help dissipate heat along their length instead of the braided hoses. My conversion just used a Turbotrol cooler in front to control temps with AN-12 lines with good results. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
Steve |
Jul 18 2020, 08:16 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,735 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
I think using mb911’s oil lines also help dissipate heat along their length instead of the braided hoses. My conversion just used a Turbotrol cooler in front to control temps with AN-12 lines with good results. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Depends where you live and time of year. if your six is bigger than a 2.7 and it’s over a 100 degrees outside and your stuck in traffic with no air flow, it will over heat no what setup you have. In so cal it can get up to 110 in the summer. AZ and Vegas is worse. |
mepstein |
Jul 18 2020, 08:29 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,609 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I think using mb911’s oil lines also help dissipate heat along their length instead of the braided hoses. My conversion just used a Turbotrol cooler in front to control temps with AN-12 lines with good results. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Depends where you live and time of year. if your six is bigger than a 2.7 and it’s over a 100 degrees outside and your stuck in traffic with no air flow, it will over heat no what setup you have. In so cal it can get up to 110 in the summer. AZ and Vegas is worse. That's why I decided on a fan pack. It's my only cooler. I'm using a oil cooler bypass plate on the engine. |
RiqueMar |
Jul 19 2020, 08:41 PM
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Enrique Allen Mar Group: Members Posts: 2,179 Joined: 28-August 08 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 9,478 Region Association: Southern California |
Thanks everyone for the recommendations! I should have specified my current setup; 3.6-964 engine, no on-engine cooler, braided 12AN lines with a thermostat upfront. When complete, the oil will travel up the passenger-side, and meet the thermostat before either cycling back or going through the cooler (inlet and outlet on the same side). As I'm in Southern California and quite often subject to very heavy traffic, I feel I absolutely need a fan setup.
Currently looking at either having the fan on the floor pulling air in and then out, or directly on the cooler itself (preferred). As it goes, at the beginning of this processI didn't fully understand all the options associated with the fans attached to the cooler and didn't know the plastic rod mounts were an option. I assumed you had to fabricate a bracket, so grateful for this help and understanding from you all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) From what I see on the PMS site the general dimensions of the coolers are 17.75 x 4.25 x 1.90. Calling a few vendors tomorrow (PMS, CSF, etc.), and will update here and my project thread for the community. |
ConeDodger |
Jul 20 2020, 07:16 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,829 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
No fans on a 3.2 six. My temperatures used to be dramatically high on the gauge till I replaced the sender with the proper one for the guage... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Steve |
Jul 20 2020, 08:20 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,735 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
No fans on a 3.2 six. My temperatures used to be dramatically high on the gauge till I replaced the sender with the proper one for the guage... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Curious if you are running a Steve Wong Chip? Mine seems to run a little hotter with the chip, but it's worth it. Drive-ability is night and day better. Much smoother response. Mine is also a high compression Euro 3.2 motor, which probably also makes it run hotter. |
Steve |
Jul 20 2020, 08:54 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,735 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
They sell a pusher and a puller fan. So depends on where you mount them . Spal 30103013 5.2" Paddle Blade Pusher Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009OBP182/ref=cm...i_uU5eFbFP0DH9Z I started an AC project section in my blog. You can see my cooler, fans, thermostat and condenser. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?aut...gid=259&st= |
RiqueMar |
Jul 20 2020, 10:17 AM
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Enrique Allen Mar Group: Members Posts: 2,179 Joined: 28-August 08 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 9,478 Region Association: Southern California |
They sell a pusher and a puller fan. So depends on where you mount them . Spal 30103013 5.2" Paddle Blade Pusher Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009OBP182/ref=cm...i_uU5eFbFP0DH9Z I started an AC project section in my blog. You can see my cooler, fans, thermostat and condenser. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?aut...gid=259&st= Hey Steve! Not sure if you remember, but we met on that 914 run back in June, when we were chatting from some time at that mountain cafe. Just wanted to say thanks to you and everyone on this thread for all the photos. |
eric9144 |
Jul 20 2020, 01:58 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,744 Joined: 30-March 11 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 12,876 Region Association: Southern California |
PMS did fans on the floor section for mine, I only turn them if it gets too hot with little air flow, i.e. sitting in traffic or really pushing hard when it's hot outside. I have a manual toggle switch to turn them on, normally I don't need them at all.
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GregAmy |
Jul 20 2020, 03:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,400 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Holy shit that's a gorgeous underside you have there.
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RiqueMar |
Jul 20 2020, 05:30 PM
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Enrique Allen Mar Group: Members Posts: 2,179 Joined: 28-August 08 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 9,478 Region Association: Southern California |
Holy shit that's a gorgeous underside you have there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Having seen it in person, Erics car is a 'case study' for perfection. Called around this afternoon, most vendors I talked to couldn't quite comment on exact fitment, and so I eventually went with the PMS Setrab unit. Happy to get that checked off, and very grateful to the help of all here on the site. |
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