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[Jett]

Congratulations on the new project, looks like a great start..especially being a desert car. I like the early cars - did the seller mention why it has a later front bumper?


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I thought they had those bumper guards even in 1970.

Introduced front bumper guards in 1973 and rear in 1974 IIRC

[pek771]

Well, it had these bumpers on it. There was a pile of bumpers there, and I took these as being the nicest. I don't care about period correctness. I Actually have no idea what should be on it. I do need to find some better seats, and some fiberglass to replace the front and rear lids.

[914e]

Well, it had these bumpers on it. There was a pile of bumpers there, and I took these as being the nicest. I don't care about period correctness. I Actually have no idea what should be on it. I do need to find some better seats, and some fiberglass to replace the front and rear lids.

I think 914 Rubber is still working on improved fiberglass and carbon fiber lids. Is there more piles of 914 parts where you picked this one up?

[mb911]

Pat are you the Pat that did BAE kit on your SC years ago on the bird board?

Yup Ben, that's me. My wife said she knew exactly where I was on the track at Watkins Glen from the sound of my 3" M&K muffler!

I an selling that tub, BTW.

Wow very cool. Let me know if you need any cool parts for your build even if you want to just hang a muffler on the back to look like a "poser" gas guy.

[sechszylinder]

Electric!!?? What for?

Gasoline engines are like 25% efficient. I don't feel like dealing with a gasoline engine any longer. Electric is the future. Electric motors have instantaneous power. Quiet also.
Also, I wanted an electric car, and the 914 is a perfect conversion vehicle.

A 914 is a car from the past and yes it has a ICE. Thats what its made for.
If you you like something for the future, go out and buy a Tesla, or something from Germany, which will be available in big numbers in the near future. BTW , the Tesla Roadster is in the meantime as well an oldtimer.
But please , do not convert that poor car to an electic drive train (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

BR

Benno (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_flagge6.gif)

[Arno914]

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Don´t convert a 914 into a "coal driven" vehicle.

Electric is the future

...only if we go nuclear... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[jd74914]

Give the guy a break-for those on the anti-coal train (understandable, though modern gasified coal burning is really quite clean), Florida is primarily NG power generation with lots of solar coming on in the next years.


Looking forward to seeing more of this project!!

[mb911]

Pats a good guy don't give him a hard time.

[bbrock]

Still cracks me up how we applaud stuffing all kinds of crazy power plants into these cars but somehow EV is where the line is crossed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[mepstein]

I’m all for this project (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I would like an electric 914 with a really light battery pack. 50 mile range would be enough for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[sechszylinder]

Still cracks me up how we applaud stuffing all kinds of crazy power plants into these cars but somehow EV is where the line is crossed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Basically I‘m a big fan of keeping the original power plant in the car, with the exception of engines that have been used by the factory e.g. 4 to 6 zyl. boxer. This does no include any kind of v8 big blocks or similar.
But anyways, it is his car. He can do whatever he likes to do with it. Even converting a sports car to something which offers the performance of a golf cart.

my 2 cents …

Benno

[sechszylinder]

I’m all for this project (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I would like an electric 914 with a really light battery pack. 50 mile range would be enough for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

yes sure, if there would be a light battery , which offers the energy to drive this car like a sports car.
If you make the math behind this, you will see, that only the battery will be 10 times the wheight of a full gasoline tank.
It’s no coincidence that cars like Tesla and others are heavy like tanks.
Even with a 50 mile range, that car would have the driving performance of a golf cart.
Maybe someone can shime in and enlight us with the numbers of the factory permitted additional wheight of our little sports car.
BR
Benno

[Arno914]

A lithium-ion battery pack has about 0.3 MJ/kg and about 0.4 MJ/liter (Chevy VOLT). Gasoline thus has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. ... Powering a car with electricity is considerably more efficient than powering a car with gasoline in terms of primary-energy consumption.

[Chris914n6]

A lithium-ion battery pack has about 0.3 MJ/kg and about 0.4 MJ/liter (Chevy VOLT). Gasoline thus has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. ... Powering a car with electricity is considerably more efficient than powering a car with gasoline in terms of primary-energy consumption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3

353 miles (568 km) Long Range AWD/Long Range Performance AWD

The Long Range version carries 4,416 cells arranged in 96 groups of 46, and weighs 1,060 pounds (480 kg) in a 0.40 m³ volume; a density of 150 Wh/kg.

So for the same miles (200hp -6) it will weigh roughly 700lbs more and need at least 11270 in^3 just in batteries.

That's kinda like doing a sbc swap and then storing another sbc in the frunk.

Want a fun EV, Nissan Leaf widebody

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[sechszylinder]

So for the same miles (200hp -6) it will weigh roughly 700lbs more and need at least 11270 in^3 just in batteries.

That's kinda like doing a sbc swap and then storing another sbc in the frunk.

thanks for the numbers!

Imagine that, the 914 features an empty wheight of about 2000 lbs (ICE) and your going to put a battery of about 700 lbs in that car minus the wheight of the old engine plus that of the electric drive train.

What a nonsense…. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

[930cabman]

I’m all for this project (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I would like an electric 914 with a really light battery pack. 50 mile range would be enough for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Agreed, being lightweight is what makes a 914 what it is. My concern would be the added weight and how it will change the character of the car.

[bbrock]

I don't see where the OP stated they expect the same kind of range as a Tesla or OE ICE engine. Let's also remember that it takes about 103 lbs. of gasoline to provide an ICE 914 with its full range. That needs to be added to the math. Half the range and half the battery weight would make for a fun and useful car. The Vintage Voltage project is shooting for 150 mile range.

[mb911]

Just a reminder here is that we (914world.com) are not being very welcoming to Pat. Pat was just looking to share his ideas not looking for immediate feedback. He was just sharing

[VaccaRabite]

You guys are being dicks. Seriously, knock it off.

Keep it up and there will be Time Outs passed around like party favors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

ALL 914s with ALL drivetrains are welcome here. If you have a problem with it, just don't post. Post in the threads with drivetrains that you approve of.

Taking off the Admin hat....

This is really cool and I'm looking forward to watt you are going to do with this car!

Zach

[mepstein]

There’s an electric conversion by one of our members here that lives close by to me. The car looks great and he drives it to work. Getting a 914 back on the road is a good thing, no matter what’s under the hood.