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What just happened ?, Final update 6/14/22 |
jim_hoyland |
Jun 12 2022, 01:00 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,448 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
I was humming along PCH and stopped at the 7-11. As I left the 7-11; put the car in firs, let outage clutch. I har this sound like the tranny popped out of gear. After that, no selected gear did anything. Engine runs fine, just can't drive.
Tjis was Friday, had the car towed to PCH garage, a couple of blocks away. Has anyone had this happen to them ? 914Toy,Keith, suggested several possibilities: 1. Cone screws at shifter rods 2. Roll pin in the short shift lever at the rear console 3. Inspect/turn each drive shaft independently and listen for noises and note motion The car has a recent Tangerine rear shift console modification. Any experience and/or suggestions will be appreciated. @Dr Evil |
Retroracer |
Jun 12 2022, 02:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 620 Joined: 7-July 13 From: Bend OR Member No.: 16,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
FWIW I've had something like item 2 happen to me: cone securing screw on the lever inside the (sidseshifter) console. It was close to home so took off the console cover and manually selected 2nd gear (with engine off) and drove home in 2nd .... exciting. On the plus side - if thats the issue - its a cheap fix, and make sure to use threadlock compound.
- Tony |
brant |
Jun 12 2022, 02:28 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,756 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Those are all good suggestions
I’ve had most of them occur Hopefully it is easy and cheap! |
SirAndy |
Jun 12 2022, 04:44 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,839 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Do you have T1 CV joints? If so, you might have popped one. Should be obvious once you get under there and grab the axle shafts.
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jim_hoyland |
Jun 12 2022, 05:08 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,448 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Do you have T1 CV joints? If so, you might have popped one. Should be obvious once you get under there and grab the axle shafts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Not sure what T1 CVS are; VW ? The CVS are regular 914 parts. Good news is I have a couple of spares. Thanks for that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Robarabian |
Jun 12 2022, 05:09 PM
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914 A Roo Group: Members Posts: 630 Joined: 11-February 19 From: Simi Valley, Kalifornia Member No.: 22,865 Region Association: Southern California |
Ill second the CV joint. I heard a pop, had no movement. Everything seemed fine.. It was 1 of the joints. Almost guarantee that's it.
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ndfrigi |
Jun 12 2022, 05:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,956 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
Jim, since it is at PCH Garage now, for sure they can fix it and probably just minor.
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jim_hoyland |
Jun 12 2022, 06:21 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,448 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Ill second the CV joint. I heard a pop, had no movement. Everything seemed fine.. It was 1 of the joints. Almost guarantee that's it. What would it look like, is the damage obvious ? @Robarabian |
Robarabian |
Jun 12 2022, 06:30 PM
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914 A Roo Group: Members Posts: 630 Joined: 11-February 19 From: Simi Valley, Kalifornia Member No.: 22,865 Region Association: Southern California |
As @sirandy said, pull on the axle shafts. You will immediately notice it it broken. Will be alot of slop / free play. When they open it up, it'll be obvious. Usually the cage inside lets loose.
quote name='jim_hoyland' date='Jun 12 2022, 05:21 PM' post='3008236'] [quote name='Robarabian' post='3008227' date='Jun 12 2022, 04:09 PM'] Ill second the CV joint. I heard a pop, had no movement. Everything seemed fine.. It was 1 of the joints. Almost guarantee that's it. [/quote] What would it look like, is the damage obvious ? @Robarabian [/quote] |
Chris H. |
Jun 13 2022, 08:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,045 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Jim,
The way you can tell is if you try to rotate the axle shafts with the car in gear a broken CV will allow the axle to spin somewhat freely. Your mechanic will know for sure. Easy fix if that's what it is. I've broken a couple and the car revs in gear but won't move an inch. |
silverg |
Jun 13 2022, 09:06 AM
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914s since March 1970 Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Winchester, VA Member No.: 6,179 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Had a half shaft come loose but had a limited slip so I coat hangered the loose end level and limped home.
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Root_Werks |
Jun 13 2022, 09:09 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,446 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Guessing a CV as well, keep us posted!
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jim_hoyland |
Jun 13 2022, 10:59 AM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,448 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Jim, The way you can tell is if you try to rotate the axle shafts with the car in gear a broken CV will allow the axle to spin somewhat freely. Your mechanic will know for sure. Easy fix if that's what it is. I've broken a couple and the car revs in gear but won't move an inch. UPdate: Car is up mon the lift. With car in gea, we turned the passenger side wheel. The driver side does not turn. The consensus is the pinion gear is broke.....looking for a temp replacement until I can get Dr Evil to repair. |
Mikey914 |
Jun 13 2022, 11:17 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,727 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
JIm,
I know you have some power, but it's not like you have an LS, weakest link I thought was the CV. I'd love to see pics if it is and this is not a normal mode of failure. Also if it failed, repack and inspect the CVs while they are out. |
jim_hoyland |
Jun 13 2022, 11:35 AM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,448 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
JIm, I know you have some power, but it's not like you have an LS, weakest link I thought was the CV. I'd love to see pics if it is and this is not a normal mode of failure. Also if it failed, repack and inspect the CVs while they are out. Will do. In the meantime, I looking for a replacement….. |
Chris H. |
Jun 13 2022, 12:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,045 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
JIm, I know you have some power, but it's not like you have an LS, weakest link I thought was the CV. I'd love to see pics if it is and this is not a normal mode of failure. Also if it failed, repack and inspect the CVs while they are out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The CV is almost always the weakest link. Jim if you get a chance you could start the car, put it in gear, have someone else look underneath and see if one of the axles or inner CV is spinning despite the car not moving. The axle will sometimes also be loose depending on how bad the carnage is. Still sounds like a CV but I'm no @Dr. Evil. |
jcd914 |
Jun 13 2022, 12:59 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,081 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
Another weak link is the main shaft snaps back by 1st gear.
Been there done that. Jim |
Dave_Darling |
Jun 13 2022, 01:05 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
You said when the one wheel turns the other does not. Did you check to see if the axles were turning? The outboard CV joint can come loose or fail such that it will not transmit any power, but still be in the right location because it rests in the hole through the trailing arm.
Definitely worth taking a minute to check both sides before you tear the transmission apart... --DD |
jim_hoyland |
Jun 13 2022, 01:16 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,448 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Good suggestions.....Thanks
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mgphoto |
Jun 13 2022, 06:24 PM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,364 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
I have a ring and pinion in pretty good shape, let me know if you need it.
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