Brought home a '74 911S - ?'s for 6 guys Options

[jaredmcginness]

Hi guys!

I have finally fulfilled the childhood dream of owning my own classic 911. Feels amazing.
Posting here because you guys have way better input than the bird forum and I have a few 6 questions.

If it's fine with the mods and you guys want to see, I can keep updating this thread with the build.

Quick intro: Me, being me, cant afford to buy 'em running and ready and nice, so I like to get in low, do the work myself and get it going - I enjoy the
process, as most of us do. I'm sure many of you have seen that with my Irish Green 914.


(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.1.png)


The car: This car came up about 8 miles from my house, is relatively rust free (my idea is rust free is different than most)

Being SUCH a cool car; first year G-body/Midyear, S motor, Ice Green metallic over a Targa... I simply could not pass it up.

I know mid years are kinda black sheep, but I'm pretty sure we like the black sheep around here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

This 911 is MOSTLY complete, its missing seats, carpet, etc. (easy peasy)
It is not a roller. She is paired with the numbers match 2.7S motor and 915


(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.2.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.3.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.4.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.5.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.6.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.7.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781661.8.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781662.9.png)



Loading up.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781662.10.png)



The conundrum:

In transparency I paid just about 10K for the car.... in my eyes, you cannot lose at that price.

The engine suffered what I would call a catastrophic failure. Classic 2.7, right?
It appears to have thrown a connecting rod. The original case is ground down in cylinder #3(?) In the process, it looks like a push rod was smooshed into the case and the mating rocker arm snapped off.


To make matters fun, the engine is entirely (and I mean entirely) dissembled into 5 bins. People love to take things apart, then just sell them, huh?

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781662.11.png)


The good news: The bins are full of a ton of spares; Dizzys, lights, switches etc, (lots of stuff I can use for my 912 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) )




I suppose my main question is as simple as "Is this case savable?"


I'm not yet decided on what I want to do with the car, but I do plan on SOME form of restoration. I have built a few aircooled motors, but this would be my first dive into flat 6 land

The obvious options (potentially with the idea of selling in a few years):

1. Full restoration, including bottom up rebuild of the #'s matching S motor, paint etc. (I like this idea, while $$ and consuming, it would be nice to finally do a car justice)
2. Rebuild and source another motor, lose the numbers.
3. Drop a core 3.0 six, part out the good 2.6 stuff, keep the patina and CRUUUUIIIISE.

I suppose the answer lies in how far I want to take the car, but this seems like a great candidate to do paint, motor, interior, etc.

What do my friends here say?


Here's some pictures of the original mag case.... repairable?

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781662.12.png)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781662.13.png)

The worst half:

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-23209-1679781662.14.png)



I know outsourcing 6 work is otherworldly compared to our type 4's and that stuff would have to come with time.
Thankfully I have good friends that are excellent resources for parts, and I do work in a machine shop.
I have full confidence that I can build the motor, but in the long run, would it even matter?

Thanks for the input and thanks for reading!

[914Sixer]

One of my favorite colors and it is a Targa. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)

[930cabman]

"great find" maybe/maybe not.

I would send the case to Ollies, in Vegas if I recall correctly. They are the best for anything /6 case

[nditiz1]

Jared what a find! Right here close to us!

Case looks repairable - looking at a wait time and some cost associated. Still looks cheaper than a brand new case.

Matching numbers only matters if you resell, also if you retain the bl9ck then people seem to like that so technically you can still say Matching numbers.

I vote option 3. If @mepstein does not have one on hand, jvcass up in NJ has a healthy 3.0. Great leak down for 15k. I think the CIS was not perfect for another 1k, but made it run and definitely saleable.

[euro911]

What's the undercarriage (rust) look like? That would be the biggest concern I would have.

[jaredmcginness]

Jared what a find! Right here close to us!

I vote option 3. If @mepstein does not have one on hand, jvcass up in NJ has a healthy 3.0. Great leak down for 15k. I think the CIS was not perfect for another 1k, but made it run and definitely saleable.

Will call ya tomorrow and go into a bit more detail. Not ready to plunk 15k down, but have been talking to Mark about this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

What's the undercarriage (rust) look like? That would be the biggest concern I would have.

The only noteable rust is the front suspension pan (that’s a weekend of effort for me). The frunk was wedged open, and had water and leaves sitting.

Other than that, all I can find is passenger cowl corners the passenger fender edge.

Torsion bar, quarters, floors, rockers are perfect.


Since I do rust repair as a side effort on these cars, It’s borderline a positive for me to get a car in this shape. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Superhawk996]

Case is probably “technically” repairable but I’d be using penetrant dye to make sure it isn’t cracked from that rod punching it.

You’re in for at least $4k of case work with Ollie’s based on what I spent on a 2.4l and the case wasn’t beat up like that.

I’ll take the counter position - keep the 2.7L. So many have been swapped for 3.xL motors over the years. Eventually a nice matching numbers 2.7l is going to be a real find. Might take a long time though for that appreciation to materialize.

No matter what engine you put in it, a 16 year old in a Tesla is going to be faster stop light to stop light.

Nice score though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

[mepstein]

Jared and I talk quite a bit. He’s the guy who saved my 912 (major rust repair). My thought would be take stock of what’s there and plan to repair and assemble the car. While the car is going together, see what comes along engine and trans wise. If you can pick up a runner, use it and just keep the numbers matching case for the next owner.

Or, clean it up a bit and flip it, make $8-10k for a couple days worth of work and move on to the next project.

I’ve always liked a saying I heard. The deal of a lifetime comes along once a month.

[TomE]

I think you got a deal. The case on my original 6 had water damage and the case was gone right where the oil sump screen was located. I am going to look for pics and will post the damage and repair. The original 6 case was absolutely worth saving and to keep your car numbers matching definitely worth looking in to.

[moparrob]

If you can find a clean 2.7 case, with time certs installed, I would build the 2.7 assuming the pistons and cylinders are usable. I know of such a case, but it is here in So. Cal. Otherwise, a certified running 3.0 in good shape will currently set you back about $15,000 with today's prices.

Air cooled Porsches are a hoot to drive. If the rust repairs don't scare you then it should be a rewarding project.

[moparrob]

This is what it will look like if finished properly.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/cdn.elferspot.com-11663-1679853672.1.jpeg)

[Shivers]

I took these saturday at our local car show. Looked at them today and thought of your targa.

[jaredmcginness]

Looks awesome!

Thanks for all the input guys. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[jhynesrockmtn]

Love the color, targa and the fact it is still a narrow body middie. I'd focus on the rust repair, paint, interior and other mechanical bits and source a running motor. Set the matching numbers one aside and rebuild as time and $'s permit.