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post Aug 19 2005, 11:34 PM
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AX AX AX.. i once again refer you to my moped analogy. AX is like riding a motorcycle around your back yard... A moped will beat a new Gixxer. Does that mean a moped is better than the Gixxer? I dont think so.

I can push a shoping cart through the aisles at Vons faster than your 914 can negotiate them (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

What are you....some fuckin' highschool kid trying to start a flame war? You stated your opinion about AX once & nobody gave a shit then. Give it a rest.

Maybe you could add something constructive...like what you are racing now? Maybe a pic of your race car?

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post Aug 20 2005, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Aug 19 2005, 09:08 PM)
AX AX AX.. i once again refer you to my moped analogy. AX is like riding a motorcycle around your back yard... A moped will beat a new Gixxer. Does that mean a moped is better than the Gixxer? I dont think so.
I can push a shoping cart through the aisles at Vons faster than your 914 can negotiate them (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

ok, then let's expand this to your favorite twisty backroad.
i bet ya my 2056 will outrun yer 10000HP super-duper double turbo whatever big block any time of the day.

oh, wait, i forgot you guys only run quarter miles so you don't actually have a favorite twisty backroad, never mind then ...

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post Aug 20 2005, 12:55 AM
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Hell I wouldnt even need my 914-4 to lose a V8 conversion on my favorite mountain road. My Toyota Echo could do the job quite effectively. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 20 2005, 12:59 AM
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post Aug 20 2005, 01:40 AM
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Wow, you guys are mean!

The v8 dont handle that bad....

seriously....

The v8's are more of a track car. like MOST exotic super cars of this day, They plant very well above 60mph. But try taking a diablo, or need be, a viper on the autox... They push, and push, and throttle oversteer... It takes a good driver to get them around the corners.

914 4's are just foot down, and drive your line. How hard is that?

Sorry... but thats what I think.

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post Aug 20 2005, 02:18 AM
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post Aug 20 2005, 06:08 AM
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Wow where is the all the brotherly love (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) Come on guys. Just because some of us have v8 with some HP does not mean that our 914's don’t handle and handle well. Like I said before, we are here because we love working on and driving the 914. What’s with all the put-downs? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) I for one did not join this club to be put down about my ideas on what makes a fast and good handling 914. I believe that everyone is entitled to and should be able to express what there ideas are. If you disagree then that’s fine, you are also entitled to you opinion as well. But disagree with some manners and respect. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/Yack.gif)
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post Aug 20 2005, 06:32 AM
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Andy was responding to a single person, with a sarcastic remark.

Don't take that personal, Paul. I see that it was not aimed at you. It would have seemed totally different if he'd said '20000hp Supercharged blah-blah'...

Andrew... I am shocked at you!

914 4's are just foot down, and drive your line. How hard is that?

Look around you. They can all kick our asses, no matter what we drive, where we drive it.

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This is the 914 club. It's not the 'motor in your car club'. You don't even have to have ever owned, towed, or driven a 914, much less owned a brand new one, with OEM whatever.

.... but don't let that stop any of you from melting down.


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post Aug 20 2005, 09:18 AM
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914 4's are just foot down, and drive your line. How hard is that?

Sorry... but thats what I think.


Look at many top road racers (Pros), they started off in slow underpowered cars, this make one a better driver....

for some drivers, they need the big motor as a band-aid so that on the straights they can make up for not knowing how to go around a corner (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

I think a V8 car can handle well and if setup correctly out handle a /4 or /6 if those are not setup correctly or driven poorly themselves.....
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post Aug 20 2005, 10:17 AM
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Dudes, the idea was NOT to start a flame war, eh?

There's nothingwrong with the 914/SBC concept.....big power in a little car can be a hoot. The challenge is in the execution.
The Silver, alloy block track car that Brad showed pics of a couple years ago was my idea of a well done rig.
The White rig at last years WWC is also right in there.
MikeD's Green AXer is another. I realize that many others are "works in progress"......my shitbox is in that catagory also....but I've been throwing money at it longer (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

The bottom line here is : If you can't stand the answers to your request for opinions, don't ask. You have every right to disagree, of course, just keep it civil.
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post Aug 20 2005, 10:26 AM
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for some drivers, they need the big motor as a band-aid so that on the straights they can make up for not knowing how to go around a corner


mike did you have to aim this one right at me (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

my problem on the willows, was tires and sway bars. as well as i have never been on a track before. you can ask toast, she could catch me in the turns but if she made one mistake it would take her 2 laps to make up for it enough to catch me. then on the straights i would leave her bad.

yes i need sway bars and tires, and practice

basicly i am saying good handle and power can be traded a little and still have the cars be equal
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post Aug 20 2005, 12:26 PM
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Porsche has been known to build a few point-and-go cars. In some of the historical accounts of the 917/10 and 917/30 Can-Am cars the drivers reported that they didn't handle as well as the McLarens, but that 1,000 HP engine wailing away behind them made up for it. Check out The Unfair Advantage and see what Mark Donohue had to say about that. BTW, that was a pretty good book, as far as auto racing books go.

I always wondered how well the Martini 935-78 Moby Dick handled, compared to the prototypes of its day, like the Porsche 936. It was a pretty big car and fairly heavy with a lot of horsepower. One of my favorites.

Okay, you guys can resume the battle now! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 20 2005, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE (redshift @ Aug 20 2005, 05:32 AM)
Andy was responding to a single person, with a sarcastic remark.

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914 4's are just foot down, and drive your line. How hard is that?

so, andrew, have you actually ever tried that? driving a /4 "foot down" and turned in a good time at an AX?
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guys, i wasn't trying to insult anybody, i was trying to make a point. i like a nice v8 conversion just as much as the next guy, but ...

- anybody can drive fast in a fast car in a straight line
- good drivers can drive a fast car fast in the twisties
- really good drivers can drive a slow car fast anywhere

*any* car can be driven fast with a skilled driver behind the wheel!
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IMHO, if you need 1000HP or 500HP or even 250HP to drive a 914 fast through some country backroads, you're using HP as a substitute for the lack of skill.
that's my opinion, and i'm sticking to it ...
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mike did you have to aim this one right at me


hey if the shoe fits...hahahaha

just kidding...I wasn't at Willows, so I cannot aim that remark at you....it is not a generalization, some drivers have exceded the HP level with thier skill and want to step up to the next level.....nothing wrong with more power or "too" much...it's just not needed all the time....
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post Aug 20 2005, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (Andyrew @ Aug 19 2005, 11:40 PM)
Wow, you guys are mean!

The v8 dont handle that bad....

seriously....

The v8's are more of a track car. like MOST exotic super cars of this day, They plant very well above 60mph. But try taking a diablo, or need be, a viper on the autox... They push, and push, and throttle oversteer... It takes a good driver to get them around the corners.

914 4's are just foot down, and drive your line. How hard is that?

Sorry... but thats what I think.

Andrew

OK you name the AX and I'll bring my Toyota Echo econo car and you bring the v8 914 lets see who sets the best time. At least that way you'll have a chance as I'll be driving a shopping cart (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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post Aug 20 2005, 01:32 PM
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Proof postive that if a pure BS statement gets posted on the internet more than 20 times everyone believes it and it suddenly becomes truth.

Examples:
1) AX is real racing
2) V8 914s don't handle well
3) high horsepwer cars can only go straight.
4) you can't turbocharge a 914

Sorry guys, I know how much you want these things to be true, but they are still BS no matter how many people pretend they aren't.
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post Aug 20 2005, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE (Sammy @ Aug 20 2005, 12:32 PM)
Sorry guys, I know how much you want these things to be true, but they are still BS no matter how many people pretend they aren't.

and that comes from a guy who has this in his signature: "Cindy Sheehan supports terrorism"
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yes sir, i take you very, very seriously ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)


QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Aug 18 2005, 10:24 AM)
The 914 brakes are a joke, the 911 stuff is a bolt on, and gives the rotors much more heat handling capabilities so you should be upgrading the brakes anyways

and exactly *where* did you gather this wisdom?
the stock 914 brakes are more than adequate for a stock car, which is btw. what they were designed for ...

QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Aug 18 2005, 12:10 PM)
The 78 factory squirels are useless if you cant drive...

personal experience? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)
i drove my 914 with a tired old 1.8L for the first 3 1/2 years and it was just as much fun to drive as any other 914.
and during that time i had the chance to drive several v8 914s and /6 914s, some of which had gobs of power.
i even got pretty good at the AX (which is btw. *not* a race but a performance-driving contest) with my car ...


again, i have nothing against v8/v6/flat6/rotary/turbo/whatever conversions.

i have a problem with "Mr. Crazyhippy" coming in here claiming that the 914 in stock form is a underpowered, ill-engineered POS that can only be made worthy by putting in a 500HP SBC ...
that, my friend, i call (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bs.gif)
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post Aug 20 2005, 02:26 PM
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Ahh ha I found the nerves (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Mr SirAndy

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stock 914 brakes are more than adequate for a stock car, which is btw. what they were designed for ...
So no one needs anything beyond the stock brakes? I've experianced brake fade bad enough that i pulled off track with sticky tires and a carbed 1.7 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Must be the sticky rubber overwhelming the brakes, probably should go back to the factory pizza cutters (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

What brakes are on your car?

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i drove my 914 with a tired old 1.8L for the first 3 1/2 years and it was just as much fun to drive as any other 914.
and during that time i had the chance to drive several v8 914s and /6 914s, some of which had gobs of power.
i even got pretty good at the AX (which is btw. *not* a race but a performance-driving contest) with my car ...


The 78 squirrel comment was aimed after a HP doesn't help if you cant drive. If you can drive, you can make a stock 914 go fast. You can make a high hp 914 go faster.

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i have a problem with "Mr. Crazyhippy" coming in here claiming that the 914 in stock form is a underpowered, ill-engineered POS that can only be made worthy by putting in a 500HP SBC ...


Dont think i've ever said that. But i will defend it. There's a reason for Raby to be in buisness, ALOT of other people think the cars are underpowered. Porsche (the air cooled kings) no longer makes air cooled cars, because the engineers have done better. The battery above the suspension... Not necesarily bad engineering, but not good engineering either.

There is nothing wrong w/ a stock 914. It can be made WAY WAY better though (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif)

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OUCH (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)

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- anybody can drive fast in a fast car in a straight line
- good drivers can drive a fast car fast in the twisties
- really good drivers can drive a slow car fast anywhere

*any* car can be driven fast with a skilled driver behind the wheel!


So Michael schumacher (assuming he is the best driver in the world) can take a Toyota Echo and still win in F1?

Why not?
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post Aug 20 2005, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Aug 20 2005, 07:18 AM)
Look at many top road racers (Pros), they started off in slow underpowered cars, this make one a better driver....

for some drivers, they need the big motor as a band-aid so that on the straights they can make up for not knowing how to go around a corner (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

I think a V8 car can handle well and if setup correctly out handle a /4 or /6 if those are not setup correctly or driven poorly themselves.....

I will agree w/ this 100%

Some people are no longer starting out though (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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AX AX AX.. i once again refer you to my moped analogy. AX is like riding a motorcycle around your back yard... A moped will beat a new Gixxer. Does that mean a moped is better than the Gixxer? I dont think so.

I can push a shoping cart through the aisles at Vons faster than your 914 can negotiate them (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

What are you....some fuckin' highschool kid trying to start a flame war? You stated your opinion about AX once & nobody gave a shit then. Give it a rest.

Maybe you could add something constructive...like what you are racing now? Maybe a pic of your race car?

Aparantly someone does give a shit (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif)

As for what i'm racing, believe it or not, it's not a SBC powered 914 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif)

It isn't grossely overpowered and overweight (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif)



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