Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V < 1 2  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> 1st Creamsicle #1, 1st Creamsicle #1
DRPHIL914
post Dec 1 2023, 06:51 AM
Post #21


Dr. Phil
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,810
Joined: 9-December 09
From: Bluffton, SC
Member No.: 11,106
Region Association: South East States



Hey Tony!!! this is such an awesome story! WOW!! might be a top 5 914 story for sure!
It would be cool for you to bring that to Okteerfest to display next year, since the focus will be on the LE ! to have the # 1 would be so super even if you cant drive it, bring it!!
You were telling me some of this when we were visiting at okteenerfest, nice to hear the rest of the story.

Looking forward to its resurrection!

Phil
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
TonyA
post Dec 1 2023, 08:11 AM
Post #22


Nachmal
***

Group: Members
Posts: 579
Joined: 17-November 16
From: Hilltown PA
Member No.: 20,596
Region Association: North East States



QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Dec 1 2023, 07:51 AM) *

Hey Tony!!! this is such an awesome story! WOW!! might be a top 5 914 story for sure!
It would be cool for you to bring that to Okteerfest to display next year, since the focus will be on the LE ! to have the # 1 would be so super even if you cant drive it, bring it!!
You were telling me some of this when we were visiting at okteenerfest, nice to hear the rest of the story.

Looking forward to its resurrection!

Phil


Phil that’s the car that I had at Octeener fest this year. Like I said not pretty everyone just walked by it. Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Cairo94507
post Dec 1 2023, 09:00 AM
Post #23


Michael
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 10,130
Joined: 1-November 08
From: Auburn, CA
Member No.: 9,712
Region Association: Northern California



What a terrific story; congratulations on your find and purchase Tony. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
jhynesrockmtn
post Dec 1 2023, 09:49 AM
Post #24


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 425
Joined: 13-June 16
From: spokane wa
Member No.: 20,100
Region Association: Pacific Northwest



Excellent story. Congrats!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
rgalla9146
post Dec 1 2023, 10:46 AM
Post #25


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,671
Joined: 23-November 05
From: Paramus NJ
Member No.: 5,176
Region Association: None




Great guy, great story (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

Interesting LE front spoiler...prototype ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
rjames
post Dec 1 2023, 10:47 AM
Post #26


I'm made of metal
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,158
Joined: 24-July 05
From: Shoreline, WA
Member No.: 4,467
Region Association: Pacific Northwest



Damn, that is a great story. Amazing that you were able to get the original engine, too.
Thanks for sharing!!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
TJB/914
post Dec 1 2023, 11:11 AM
Post #27


Mid-Engn.
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,388
Joined: 24-February 03
From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI
Member No.: 346
Region Association: Upper MidWest



QUOTE(TonyA @ Dec 1 2023, 09:11 AM) *

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Dec 1 2023, 07:51 AM) *

Hey Tony!!! this is such an awesome story! WOW!! might be a top 5 914 story for sure!
It would be cool for you to bring that to Okteerfest to display next year, since the focus will be on the LE ! to have the # 1 would be so super even if you cant drive it, bring it!!
You were telling me some of this when we were visiting at okteenerfest, nice to hear the rest of the story.

Looking forward to its resurrection!

Phil


Phil that’s the car that I had at Octeener fest this year. Like I said not pretty everyone just walked by it. Attached Image


Congratulations Tony (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)
Put that Saratoga top on it for more attention next time:rotfl:
Dion told me about your LE when he picked up his OEM windshield from me.
You East Cost guys including Ed Morrow are special friends (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)
Tom

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
DC_neun_vierzehn
post Dec 1 2023, 03:37 PM
Post #28


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 484
Joined: 16-November 20
From: Delaware Shore
Member No.: 24,893
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Awesome story. Thanks for sharing. Good luck.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
wonkipop
post Dec 1 2023, 04:33 PM
Post #29


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,670
Joined: 6-May 20
From: north antarctica
Member No.: 24,231
Region Association: NineFourteenerVille



nice write up @TonyA

........and nice car to get hold of.


if i had been there to see it you would not have found me "walking by it".
there is a lot to be said for survivor cars that have made it through half a century carrying their history and still intact though they may have departed along the way from fresh out the factory door state.

its a fantastic object/relic/usable car and its great that #1 has survived.

out of interest @JeffBowlsby . has #1 BB survived?

its kinda nice that the first LEs look like they were the orange ice-creams.
not that there is anything wrong with bumblebees. but i like the ice-creams.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
mepstein
post Dec 1 2023, 05:32 PM
Post #30


914-6 GT in waiting
***************

Group: Members
Posts: 19,649
Joined: 19-September 09
From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE
Member No.: 10,825
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



As I told Tony, I like the fact that when he found a car that he thought might be special to him, he went after it. No BS. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
OrangeBones
post Dec 1 2023, 06:09 PM
Post #31


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 81
Joined: 20-November 20
From: 18914
Member No.: 24,914
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Tony let me drive #1 home from the NEG when my cone screw backed out. He trailered mine home and I had a ton of fun with the Raby. When he got it home I was the first to see it and couldn’t believe how much of a score this thing was. Tony’s attack dogs cornered me on his trailer while I was looking over it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Unpretentious
post Dec 1 2023, 10:00 PM
Post #32


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 164
Joined: 23-June 14
From: Calif. Central Valley
Member No.: 17,532
Region Association: Central California



Tony,

What a great story! I have one of my own, though because I wasn't as knowable as you my immediate outcome wasn't fortuitous as yours.

It's interesting how Creamsicles elude those who aren’t looking for them. About 20 years ago bought a off-white 1974 914 2 liter from Ohnstads wrecking yard in Fresno. I didn’t know much about the car except that it was a 2 liter and the engine was sitting on the ground next it. I paid $1,000. At the the time I also had a 1.7 car that needed work. I sold the ‘74 to my car restorer friend Ray, a machinist, thinking if he got interested in 914s he could help me with on my other car. When Ray came to pick up the car he noticed that there was a spot of orange on one of the rockers where the black paint had flaked off. He asked me if was like that on the other side. It was! He then asked if there might be orange paint under the black painted bumpers. There was! Ray had done his research and thought it might be an L.E. It was!! I told him, “if you ever decide to sell the car, give me first dibs.” Well,... Ray restored the car and decided to sell it after his wife told him that it was “too small” for her to comfortably ride in. I bought the car back from Ray, for considerably more that I sold it to him for, but have enjoyed driving the car for years ever since.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
TonyA
post Dec 1 2023, 10:08 PM
Post #33


Nachmal
***

Group: Members
Posts: 579
Joined: 17-November 16
From: Hilltown PA
Member No.: 20,596
Region Association: North East States



Nice. Every car has story of some sort.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
TonyA
post Dec 1 2023, 10:17 PM
Post #34


Nachmal
***

Group: Members
Posts: 579
Joined: 17-November 16
From: Hilltown PA
Member No.: 20,596
Region Association: North East States



QUOTE(OrangeBones @ Dec 1 2023, 07:09 PM) *

Tony let me drive #1 home from the NEG when my cone screw backed out. He trailered mine home and I had a ton of fun with the Raby. When he got it home I was the first to see it and couldn’t believe how much of a score this thing was. Tony’s attack dogs cornered me on his trailer while I was looking over it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)


Yea sorry about. I didn’t think you would be over that fast. I wish I took a picture three dogs snapping at your feet with you almost jumping on the hood of the car. Priceless (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JeffBowlsby
post Dec 2 2023, 10:14 AM
Post #35


914 Wiring Harnesses
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 8,781
Joined: 7-January 03
From: San Ramon CA
Member No.: 104
Region Association: None



QUOTE(wonkipop @ Dec 1 2023, 02:33 PM) *


out of interest @JeffBowlsby . has #1 BB survived?



We may never know about BB#1 not for awhile anyways. Years ago I had made a connection at PCNA who was very helpful and did a little research on the LE cars for me. She confirmed that the first and last LE VIN in their records were 14348 and 16764.

By coincidence I had seen and documented 14348 many years ago in LA, so we can know without certainty the 14348 is the first VIN CS LE. But interestingly its chassis number at 075549 is not the first LE chassis. The earliest chassis number LE on the Registry right now, is VIN 14600, a BB, chassis #0619520. Maybe @davep can enlighten us of why that is.

Because the LE Registry is not complete to include every car and VIN and chassis number within the VIN range, its not possible right now to know the first BB LE VIN
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
dr914@autoatlanta.com
post Dec 2 2023, 10:36 AM
Post #36


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 8,110
Joined: 3-January 07
From: atlanta georgia
Member No.: 7,418
Region Association: None



Congrats, certainly in good hands now! Jeff helped me rescue the Matsuda black and sunflower limited edition from Germany and it is on display here along with our Arizona white and phoenix red carAttached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jett
post Dec 2 2023, 10:42 AM
Post #37


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,672
Joined: 27-July 14
From: Seattle
Member No.: 17,686
Region Association: Pacific Northwest



Great story! I am glad that this car found the right owner!

+1 more pictures please
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
buck toenges
post Dec 3 2023, 12:48 PM
Post #38


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 553
Joined: 25-November 03
From: Fort wayne In
Member No.: 1,388
Region Association: None



QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Dec 2 2023, 11:36 AM) *

Congrats, certainly in good hands now! Jeff helped me rescue the Matsuda black and sunflower limited edition from Germany and it is on display here along with our Arizona white and phoenix red carAttached Image


It is amazing how the blk ones look so much wider than the orange creamsicle. Must be the angle
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
SirAndy
post Dec 3 2023, 06:05 PM
Post #39


Resident German
*************************

Group: Admin
Posts: 41,944
Joined: 21-January 03
From: Oakland, Kalifornia
Member No.: 179
Region Association: Northern California



QUOTE(buck toenges @ Dec 3 2023, 10:48 AM) *

It is amazing how the blk ones look so much wider than the orange creamsicle. Must be the angle

Wide angle lens ...
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
TonyA
post Dec 8 2023, 11:13 AM
Post #40


Nachmal
***

Group: Members
Posts: 579
Joined: 17-November 16
From: Hilltown PA
Member No.: 20,596
Region Association: North East States



QUOTE(TonyA @ Nov 30 2023, 06:54 PM) *

I have been meaning to write this story for a year now, so here it goes. It may take awhile because I am a three to four finger typist. And thank god for spell check.

August 2022, I get a text message form Dion Ronin (Dion's endeavor) that there was a Creamsicle on the Hagerty website for sale at an auction in Main, at Owls Head Transportation Museum. Dion said you already have one you should look at this one. Most of the 914 MOB guys around here are always ribbing each other about crap and LE's are a topic they always pounce on me about.
So I look! Sure as shit there it was. Jeff Bowlsby posted that he saw this car back in 2005 in California and that it was sold to a guy in Vermont around that time. He also said that the advertised vin number is incorrect! The last two numbers are transposed making this the FIRST Ceamsicle produce and its on the registry as such. DAM I hope Sienfeld doesn't hear about this was one comment on 914world. Sooo off to Main I go telling my wife I am going to look at a job, which I always do when on the hunt for cars or parts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I arrive in Main and get a Sam Adams Boston Lager and a lobsta sandwich. Sitting by the dock of the bay watching the tide roll away the Tuesday night before inspection opens for the auction.
I looked at all the cars the next day, trying not to lust to much over the 914. I kept looking at adjacent cars every time someone would inspect the 914 to hear their comments. A few said lets bid up to $2500 because there is water in the trunk! I thought that was great, because its not leaking out and that's a good thing I said to myself. I inspected the car on my back crawling under as far as I could with nobody watching. WOW no rust, super clean suspension and a super exhaust system and it has the original holy grail front spoiler. Not a pretty car by no means but solid as they come and a LE and #1. I look at the engine and dam, its some kind of race engine and the serial number starts with RAT. Stupid me says to myself its not a Raby engine because that would be RAB and not RAT. I know I am and idiot. At the time. I was a little disappointed that it did not have the original engine, but more about that later.
I give my $100 deposit to bid via phone on Friday, we will call you don't call us they said. This was the Friday one week before Labor day weekend I think. On Friday all of the auto memorabilia was on the schedule and just 7 cars. So I don't get a call till 4:00. Sir please stay on the line for item # 453. Now by 4:00 in the afternoon most people are having their Sam Adams beers and a lobsta sandwich. So there were probably just two or three people bidding. So I kept saying yes,in $500 increments hoping that Sienfield wasn't one of the bidders. Not that he would stoop that low to buy something like this but you never know I kept thinking. Bam you got it states the person on the other end. YYAAAHHHOOOO . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

I do the wire transfer on Monday and drive back up with my trailer and my two brothers on Tuesday. We pick it up and yes its running no need for the winch, holy crap. We start driving back home but its been a long day so we get a hotel. While sitting out back of the hotel having a few Sam Adams beers and looking through all the paperwork I find that the past owner was William Twigg Smith. I goggle his name and wow their family helped Hawaii get their independence from the royal government that they were under in the early 1900's. Bills father wrote a book about it called "Sovereignty" the truth of what really happened.
I also found all the receipts from Chris Foley/Tangerine Racing. Also all the notes and sketches on wiring etc by Ed Morrow who worked at tangerine racing at the time and who built the car for Bill Twigg Smith.

Ed got to drive in the car with me at this years NEG Northeast Gathering in the Pocono mountains (hills) of Pennsylvania.

Bill had passed in 2016 I think and was a recluse type billionaire who's family had extensive real estate in Hawaii and Vermont. There were also letters notes etc. between Bill and Jeff Bowlsby among the paperwork Jeff later sent me all the correspondence that he had with Bill back in 2005-2007. Thank you very much Jeff! Bill stated that he would never race the car and would not be going to shows because he is a very independent person. Bill wanted a strong car to drive the back roads and hills of Vermont. He would also never do anything that could not be easily reversed because it is an LE car. Among the other cars that were sold at the auction I later found out (28 in total) were from Bills collection. All at no reserve.
Three had raby engines one a concours winning 76 911 and one a Karmen Ghia.

So once we got the car home I contacted Chris Foley who got me in touch with the caretaker of Bills cars in Vermont. I asked the caretaker if he knew were the original engine was. His answer was I might. Soooo grab some cash and drive to Vermont. On my way to Vermont I stopped by at Tangerine racing to drop off some philly soft pretzels to Chris and talk about this car some more and its past owner. Once in Vermont at the caretakers shop there is the original engine in the same box that Chris Foley put it in when he shipped it 15 years ago.

Back to the car. Dion comes over and I had already cleaned out the gas tank and filled with fresh fuel and was getting ready to start the car. We started it up and it ran a little rough. We determined it was just a bad wire and a bad plug. Four new wires and four new plugs and its been running ever since.

Still looking for the manuals that go with the raby engine. I contacted the estate and they searched in Vermont and in Hawaii. No luck as yet.

Thanks to Dion Ronin, Jeff Bowlsby, Chris Foley and Ed Morrow for all their input on this great car.

Pictures to follow.


Attached Image
Talking with Chris Foley about the car over some Philadelphia soft pretzels.
Attached Image
Attached Image
Found original engine in the crate sent from Tangerine Racing in Conn. to Vermont
Attached Image
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

2 Pages V < 1 2
Reply to this topicStart new topic
4 User(s) are reading this topic (4 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 26th December 2024 - 08:32 PM