Sale Pending - My purchase of 9140431482, Just facts; no spin or opinion Options

[mountainroads]

Quote from 5/31/2020 Advertisement:
“- New Elgin 306/288-106 camshafts.”

Service invoice provided after the sale. Started with used Delta cams and had them reground:

Although I don't know if there's any material difference, I'll readily concede this one to Rufus. Chris recommended new cams for more top end and I was mostly working off memory when I put the ad together. Frankly, I forgot that detail.

Would've been more correct to state: "Newly reground cams to Elgin 306/288-106 spec".

- MR

[mb911]

90k spread over 3 businesses is a lot of money to me. A LOT!

Same here. I would be getting divorced for sure .

[Rufus]

@Mountainroads

[mountainroads]

@Mountainroads

@Rufus : I don't know what to tell you. Certainly not great, but I still don't know how bad that is. Is the pan soft or perforated, or is the Wurth undercoating compromised? Hopefully, the unbiased here will chime in.

Bottom line: I certainly would've had that fixed if Rillos hadn't assured me it wasn't an issue.

Below are a couple of underside pics prior to Wurth undercoating for reference:




- MR

[Rufus]

@Mountainroads

@Rufus : I don't know what to tell you. Certainly not great, but I still don't know how bad that is. Is the pan soft or perforated, or is the Wurth undercoating compromised? Hopefully, the unbiased here will chime in.

Bottom line: I certainly would've had that fixed if Rillos hadn't assured me it wasn't an issue.

- MR

Light from a drop light underneath

[mountainroads]

The second pic:



- MR

[mountainroads]

One more. Unfortunately, I can't tell exactly where underneath the car these pics were taken. They were all sent to me by Rillos as work was in progress.



- MR

[mountainroads]

Here's a copy of the PPI I received when I purchased the car. Please note on Page 3 (circled) that the underbody was inspected and no mention of rust issues. I believe Rufus has the paper copy.

 PPI_Report_redacted.pdf ( 2.96mb ) Number of downloads: 45


- MR

[bkrantz]

One more. Unfortunately, I can't tell exactly where underneath the car these pics were taken. They were all sent to me by Rillos as work was in progress.



- MR

This is the driver's side floor, about in the middle, looking from the center tunnel at the top of the picture towards the outer long. Front of the car is to the right. The internal cross member sits above the rib that looks wider. The driver's seat is about the larger circular plug on the left.

[Superhawk996]

I guess i’ll be the bad guy . . . Shame on Rillos for just rubbing seam sealer over that and then spraying undercoat.

$60k ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) it has become almost impossible to find real craftsmanship in this world.

I just feel terrible for both of you.

The good news is that it is is a /6 and its a survivor and there isnt anything there that hasn’t been dealt with before.

[mate914]

@Mountainroads

@Rufus : I don't know what to tell you. Certainly not great, but I still don't know how bad that is. Is the pan soft or perforated, or is the Wurth undercoating compromised? Hopefully, the unbiased here will chime in.

Bottom line: I certainly would've had that fixed if Rillos hadn't assured me it wasn't an issue.

Below are a couple of underside pics prior to Wurth undercoating for reference:




- MR

"Hopefully, the unbiased here will chime in" Not sue what this is implying?

That is a nice 914-6. All floor pans rust. Don't take it back to any shops for work. Do work your self. You will spend your money much wiser then a shop.

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[mb911]

Some basic input here after going through all of this

I think the only people to blame are the shops. I don’t think that floor pan would have been discovered in a ppi as it appears it was well hidden.

Only step forward is to properly repair it which if it were in my neck of the woods I would fix that area for around $1000 and it would be undetectable. I hope to see this thread move in a positive direction now.

[mountainroads]

I think I'm about done posting to this thread. I'm trying hard not to be defensive, but I feel like I'm on public trial. Not sure how much more of value I can add at this point, anyway.

Upon closer inspection now, it appears Rillos might've (I can't tell for sure) used body filler to "fix" the floorpan from below (Post #127). If so, I don't know why he did that instead of welding and he never said anything to me about it at the time. Had he said "This should be welded up.", I would've immediately said "Do it.".

Frankly, I didn't look at the pictures he sent too closely then and simply thought "Oh, he's just cleaning up the bottom before undercoating". I trusted him to take care of what needed fixing and to do a good job. Perhaps that's why he didn't want to do anything from the top side of the pan. IDK.

I again refer to the initial PPI (Post #128, page 4). Although numerous mechanical defects and the front panel repair were noted, they inspected the bodywork and underside and no rust issues were pointed out. I would've gladly shared all the restoration pictures I received and the PPI with any prospective buyer or inspection shop, if requested. Perhaps those items would've informed a different purchase decision.

@Rufus : I feel your frustration and disappointment. I'm still confused why you started poking around under the seats in the first place though, unless it was a quest to find everything possibly wrong with the car? Did your subsequent scraping and wire brushing remove the "repair" that Rillos did, and that exposed the holes?

Do I regret buying the car? Yes and No. It was a journey and I learned a lot. For the time and money I spent, I could've bought and enjoyed a brand new Porsche for multiple years. But, I didn't want a new Porsche. I wanted a new OLD Porsche. Plus, it was my redemption project for totaling another genuine 914-6 in my youth. I believed it was a desirable and well sorted car by the time I let it go.

I also learned that Father Time takes his toll despite our best efforts, and this lesson has since extended to a couple of my other hobbies. What we nostalgically remember as problem-free mechanical devices from a half century ago now have an inevitable degree of frailty, simply due to age. Just like we do.

Lubricants dry up. Metal oxidizes and fatigues. Plastic, rubber, and fiber parts become brittle from innumerable hot and cold cycles and weather exposure, and eventually they fail. It's a true labor of love to keep these cars operational and there's always something that isn't working quite perfectly. Parts, especially -6 specific parts, are becoming harder and harder to find. Some are unobtanium. As another poster noted, it's a miracle so many 914s have been saved and are still road-worthy today.

- MR

[mountainroads]

"Hopefully, the unbiased here will chime in" Not sure what this is implying?

Matt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

Just seeking input from those less emotionally involved.

- MR

[Superhawk996]

I think I'm about done posting to this thread. I'm trying hard not to be defensive, but I feel like I'm on public trial.

I certainly don’t see it that way.

I don’t think your name would have even come up if you had not joined as a voluntary participant.

You’ve added a ton of relevant background and I don’t think you’ve tried to hide anything. After all, your photos of the underbody only add value and show what Rillos did or didn’t do.

If anything I think you got taken by the shops for premium pricing for so so quality work. But I see that as a reflection on the shops not you.

[Root_Werks]

Reading through this thread (took a few minutes), I wouldn't put any fault on either the last or current owners. You both did what you could before buying, tried to represent as best you could.

Rust happens, especially on 914's.

It's honestly been a very interesting read and I'm looking forward to seeing some of the fixes.

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[Craigers17]

I think the information from both parties was useful, and agree that the shops that performed the restoration work were probably the most culpable. That said, I think the OP's best option would be to start a new, fresh thread on the remaining restoration/modification of his already pretty damn cool 914/6. At a certain point you have to quit focusing on who or what "fricked" things up and focus on fixing the problems and the positive, fun aspects of driving and restoring the car.

[rhodyguy]

Is the picture in #123 the bottom of the center tunnel? #129 the light color smear had the cancer behind it? The really dark spots might be a rust conversion product. Get an ice pick and probe around. Move forward.

[Superhawk996]

At a certain point you have to quit focusing on who or what "fricked" things up and focus on fixing the problems and the positive, fun aspects of driving and restoring the car.

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This really is a nice car that 99.99% of us would be honored to steward through the next phase of its life. Perfection is elusive and those that find it end up with garage queens they can’t drive for fear of a stone chip. Don’t let the quest for perfection prevent you from enjoying this car.

[jhynesrockmtn]

At a certain point you have to quit focusing on who or what "fricked" things up and focus on fixing the problems and the positive, fun aspects of driving and restoring the car.

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This really is a nice car that 99.99% of us would be honored to steward through the next phase of its life. Perfection is elusive and those that find it end up with garage queens they can’t drive for fear of a stone chip. Don’t let the quest for perfection prevent you from enjoying this car.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Very well said