Sale Pending - My purchase of 9140431482, Just facts; no spin or opinion Options

[mate914]

And kinda like believing everything your local body man / painter says without checking yourself, huh? After all, he reassured you, right?

Yes, I know, I said I was done posting to this thread. The following occurred to me last night so I'm adding now.

Yes Rufus, that was my mistake. I trusted Rillos to identify and properly fix what needed to be fixed. I trusted him to say "This should be taken care of." I didn't think I needed to observe every move or stand there and watch every step or part that was installed. I hired pros because they were supposed to be the experts, not me. You missed the part where I said I regularly checked on progress. By regularly, I meant at least once a month, and often weekly.

Not once did I tell any shop not to do something because it was too expensive or I didn't want to pay for it.

- MR

FINALLY! after 3 weeks. If MR had not made HIS mistake in 2014, the rust would have been addressed properly then and would not have existed in 2020 or today, and … I would never have been motivated to start this thread and endure the ruthless bashing here. With this admission, Part 1 of my story enters a new phase.

Wow victims mentality. You are perfect and everyone else is a big bad orange man. I beg you to talk on any other car board like you did here. You will get the same treatment. Respect is earned not giving.
Have a great day.
Matt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

[Superhawk996]

Porche’s fault.

If they had built the cars out of Galvaneal steel and had e-coated them . . . Wait that technology wasn’t in use back in the 70s. Well then, they should have invented it, and pioneered its use on 914’s.

Rufus, there are are a bunch of good folks here that simply want to help you move forward in a productive way. Likewise, we try to support those within the small 914 community as best we can, despite the distance and differences between us.

If you’re not interested in that happening, that would be a shame, and will be of your own doing.

[jhynesrockmtn]

And kinda like believing everything your local body man / painter says without checking yourself, huh? After all, he reassured you, right?

Yes, I know, I said I was done posting to this thread. The following occurred to me last night so I'm adding now.

Yes Rufus, that was my mistake. I trusted Rillos to identify and properly fix what needed to be fixed. I trusted him to say "This should be taken care of." I didn't think I needed to observe every move or stand there and watch every step or part that was installed. I hired pros because they were supposed to be the experts, not me. You missed the part where I said I regularly checked on progress. By regularly, I meant at least once a month, and often weekly.

Not once did I tell any shop not to do something because it was too expensive or I didn't want to pay for it.

- MR

FINALLY! after 3 weeks. If MR had not made HIS mistake in 2014, the rust would have been addressed properly then and would not have existed in 2020 or today, and … I would never have been motivated to start this thread and endure the ruthless bashing here. With this admission, Part 1 of my story enters a new phase.

You brought this all on yourself. You're an entitled man child. A supposed car expert who buys a car sight unseen, relies on a PPI done in the sellers garage and then proceeds to use the same shop to do a bunch of work. Yet, this is all on the seller and the shop. Whatever "ruthless bashing" you have received, is well earned.

[mepstein]

The 914 community is really fantastic and has done for me, more than I could ever give back - through I’d like to try my best.
Yea, if all this is about is building some sort of case against the former owner, then I’m out. The responses from Rufus are starting to sound pretty creepy.

[technicalninja]

Don't feed the troll...

The responses are enraging him, and he may have "old people" disease.



My dad (84) has lost his "nice" filters in the last few years.

He says stuff he wouldn't have said in the past. Sometimes it's embarrassing to take him out in public.


I see a bit of him in Rufus's responses...

We've really tried to help but it appears he was looking for ANYHING to hang MR with.

Trying to litigate on something that happened 10 years ago is the definition of "decreased mental capacity" in my book.

He pegged my "Squirrel-O-Meter" out with his last post and my suggestion now is to no-longer post in this thread.

It will be interesting to see how long Rufus continues to post after others stop posting.

Along with Mepstein, I'm out!
I'll not post again in ANY of Rufus's threads.
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[BillJ]

This has been amusing but havent posted because this attempt to garner support for his spin and opinion was inevitable and misleading from the outset. The subtitle said it all right from the word go. So many demeaning and loaded statements start with a disclaimer saying precisely what will be said. "I'm not racist but...." or "Not trying to belittle the guy but..." etc etc.

Sorry you dont have the car you thought you bought. Go do whatever action you think you should. I think we should lock this thing. No more can come of it.

No animosity meant btw.

[mountainroads]

So far I've refrained from saying anything that could be remotely perceived as victim blaming, but I've finally had enough.

I get that Rufus didn't want an additional project. I get that he's unhappy he didn't get what he thought he was getting. I'm not even going to fault him for not seeing the car in person, although not doing so is always risky. IDK, but I doubt that would've made a difference to his purchase decision. I'm even going to agree to a certain extent with his contention that whether he paid $50K or $150K, he didn't get what he expected. Who of us hasn't had that experience?

By his own admission, he always wanted a genuine -6. He saw an ad for a nicely restored genuine 6 at what any reasonable 914 afficienado would know was a bargain price, for what he could or wanted to pay, and so saw his opportunity. He had a $10K credit with Rothsport for an aborted conversion project and saw a solution.

The asking price wasn't low because I knew it was a bad car. The price was low because I'd accomplished my restoration project objective, I didn't drive the car as much as I thought I would, the uncertainty around COVID times, and I wanted to move on. I also knew that 50+ year old cars are somewhat fragile and temperamental by nature, no matter how well (or not) originally made. Although I knew the car wasn't perfect, I never suspected any rust hadn't been properly addressed.

I think Rufus' own karma bit him a bit. We had some back and forth PMs, emails, and phone calls. As far as I remember, most of his focus was on price and closing the deal, subject to PPI. He never asked for any restoration pictures or shop invoices. He never asked me if the car had ever been in an accident. He never asked about rust repair, a known possible problem with ANY pre-galvanized car, and some more than others. He never asked if he could talk to the previous owner or any of the shops who worked on the car. Nor did his PPI provider. I would've willingly provided all of that information to him or Rothsport if they'd acted interested. I probably volunteered that AFAIK I was the fourth owner, but I couldn't even swear to that. I think he wanted to seal the deal as fast as possible before someone else snapped it up. And, he trusted the superficial Rothsport PPI. He would never admit it, but I think he got greedy and that blinded him to some of the pitfalls with that approach. Rufus still might've ended up with a car with undiscovered rust, but at least then he could claim he did everything possible to avoid it.

@Rufus : It wasn't my job to shepherd you through the used car purchase process or how to spend your money. To some extent that was Rothsport's job. You're so thoroughly convinced I knowingly sold you a car with unresolved rust issues that you can't see any other possible explanation. Man up and admit these facts, even if just to yourself, since you say you're all about facts.

[Eric_Ciampa]

If only this was a progress and restoration thread and not whatever Rufus seems intent on making it. I want to see more of this beautiful car! Rufus, you bought this car for $56K, I would offer you that right now knowing all the issues you found.

Note to self MR is a stand up guy and I would buy from him anytime. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Rufus]

More coming soon … (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Rufus]

After emailing Jeff Gamroth on 2/15 and 2/25, still no response. Just emailed again …

[930cabman]

More coming soon … (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Any sort of applied undercoating ???

This is almost ALWAYS (at least 99%) a sign of some sort of coverup. Should be a major red flag for a problem.

[sixnotfour]

Be Glad youre not this poor guy....
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[mate914]

After emailing Jeff Gamroth on 2/15 and 2/25, still no response. Just emailed again …

Maybe it went to spam? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[914sgofast2]

How long is the forum administrator going to allow this thread to keep going?

[rhodyguy]

It had slipped to mid p2. And a bump….damn. My Crocus are blooming.

[sixnotfour]

double post

[Rufus]

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[Rufus]

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[Rufus]

More, maybe much more, to come …

[bkrantz]

More coming soon … (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Any sort of applied undercoating ???

This is almost ALWAYS (at least 99%) a sign of some sort of coverup. Should be a major red flag for a problem.

Indeed. And I learned that myself. See my build thread.