Cairo's Six - 3.6 in and running great! Options

[Cairo94507]

I will be at Chris' on Saturday and we plan to sort this then. We have a few options as Seatbelt Planet offers a variety of receivers. Thanks for the thought Andy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[raynekat]

I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil filter on the 3.6's with a factory cooler instead. Goes in the same place as the oil cooler on the earlier engines. I always thought "why 2 oil filters?"

Another option for additional cooling if you need it.

[ClayPerrine]

I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil filter on the 3.6's with a factory cooler instead. Goes in the same place as the oil cooler on the earlier engines. I always thought "why 2 oil filters?"

Another option for additional cooling if you need it.

I considered this a while back. There are directions on Pelican:

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911...here-s-how.html

It wouldn't work for me. The cooler interfered with the adapter plate for the Cayman 6 speed gearbox.

[Cairo94507]

Thanks guys; that will be another option if Plan A is not sufficient. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Luke M]

I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil filter on the 3.6's with a factory cooler instead. Goes in the same place as the oil cooler on the earlier engines. I always thought "why 2 oil filters?"

Another option for additional cooling if you need it.

"why 2 oil filters?".... From what I recall it has to do with the Hydraulic valve lifters.

[mepstein]

I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil filter on the 3.6's with a factory cooler instead. Goes in the same place as the oil cooler on the earlier engines. I always thought "why 2 oil filters?"

Another option for additional cooling if you need it.

"why 2 oil filters?".... From what I recall it has to do with the Hydraulic valve lifters.

I’ve been told the filter on the engine is in the perfect spot for filtering the oil. The filter at the oil tank is less than ideal.

[Root_Werks]

This is such a neat engine swap. There are more and more 3.6's finding ways into 914's which I think is very cool.

[Cairo94507]

Today my brother and I took a ride to The Red Barn to see Chris and go over seatbelt and oil cooler stuff. I am glad to say we have a solid plan and I was able to sit in my car with the retractible seatbelt in place and it will work just as planned thanks to Chris' superb skills and abilities.

We also pulled the front bumper off and removed my aluminum oil cooler shroud to check on the actual real estate for the cooler/fan set-up. We decided to scrap the 2 Spal 6.5" fans and go with the larger Setrab oil cooler with 3 5.25" fans mounted on the backside of the cooler and then Chris will fabricate a new shroud, very similar to the one that was on the car. The new cooler is taller by a little over 1" and wider by about 3" and slightly thicker too. We believe that is going to handle the needs of the 3.6 just fine.

So I have some parts to return and new parts to order. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

This is the current oil cooler which is coming out for a slightly larger one:









So we decided these 2 Spal 6.5" fans would not work the way we want and I will return them and get 3 5.25" fans to mount right behind the new larger oil cooler. I mistakenly ordered a 1 pass cooler and I need a 2-pass so my oil lines will remain on the drivers side of the car. We will relocate the thermostat to the engine firewall- where it really belongs.

[SirAndy]

Lets compare sizes, shall we? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Images pulled from this thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...st&p=893543


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[Cairo94507]

Thanks for the pictures Andy. The oil cooler we are going to install appears to be a bit wider than that but otherwise looks about the same thickness and height. But the one currently in my car is smaller and why we are replacing it for the 3.6. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[tygaboy]

What happens At The Red Barn, stays at Th...er... Goes on my YouTube channel!
Michael agreed it'd be OK to post video of what we're up to so here's Part 1. Note that many of the folks who'll see this may know little about 914s so I spend some time talking about details that you may already know. Hope you enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyBpMUOeGLw

[Cairo94507]

Great job Chris (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) . I feel so lucky to have a friend like Chris who is not only a terrific guy, but a master fabricator. I knew he was the guy to do the seatbelt modification after seeing all of the fabrication he has done over the years. Aside from that, he just has that kind of mind that looks at all of this and comes up with great solutions. I can not wait until we get to the new (larger) oil cooler, 3 5.25" fans and shroud. I know it will be just perfection in form and function. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Luke M]

Hi Michael,

Hey, have you seen the setup that Enrique, @RiqueMar , did on his 3.6 install?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...8955&st=920

I purchased 2 oil cooler fan kits from him to be used on my brothers and my 6.
Just a thought unless that's the way you guys plan on doing the install.

[4CamGT]

I watch this thread with great interest. I have a ‘70 914-6. Original #’s matching motor is stored away. Installed is a stock 3.2 with the original Weber carbs and fan assembly from the original motor. Motor looks stock with original air box. My goal is to not modify anything that isn’t reversable. The oil cooling is dual 930 coolers w/fans mounted below the rear trunk floor using existing mounts. So far this has worked really well including in stop and go traffic. Wheels are original deep 6’s modified by Weidman to R7’s front (205/55) and R8’s rear (215/50).

[Cairo94507]

@Luke M - Yes, I have seen Enrique's set-up and that is very similar to what we do. Thanks for the link too.

[b]@4CamGT - Great looking car and I totally appreciate the stealth nature of your car. Mine is similar but I stayed with the stock Motronic on my 3.2 and will keep the 3.6 stock as well. I originally considered Webers, I had a set, but then recalled that I was tired of playing with them and really wanted to be able to lean in the window and just turn the key. I know some cars with Webers will do that....but not many. But there is nothing like the sound of those Webers when you step on the loud-pedal.

BTW, did you have to roll your rear fenders at all to fit those rims/tires? I am thinking it would be nice to get a tiny bit more tire under the car - in the rear especially.

[4CamGT]

<b>@Luke M - Yes, I have seen Enrique's set-up and that is very similar to what we do. Thanks for the link too.

[b]@4CamGT</b> - Great looking car and I totally appreciate the stealth nature of your car. Mine is similar but I stayed with the stock Motronic on my 3.2 and will keep the 3.6 stock as well. I originally considered Webers, I had a set, but then recalled that I was tired of playing with them and really wanted to be able to lean in the window and just turn the key. I know some cars with Webers will do that....but not many. But there is nothing like the sound of those Webers when you step on the loud-pedal.

BTW, did you have to roll your rear fenders at all to fit those rims/tires? I am thinking it would be nice to get a tiny bit more tire under the car - in the rear especially.

The rear was slightly flared from when it was new. So far I don’t know how to post more than one photo at a time! The Webers on mine work flawlessly. Fires up hot or cold immediatly almost like FI. It was dyno’d at 235hp.

[4CamGT]

<b>@Luke M - Yes, I have seen Enrique's set-up and that is very similar to what we do. Thanks for the link too.

[b]@4CamGT</b> - Great looking car and I totally appreciate the stealth nature of your car. Mine is similar but I stayed with the stock Motronic on my 3.2 and will keep the 3.6 stock as well. I originally considered Webers, I had a set, but then recalled that I was tired of playing with them and really wanted to be able to lean in the window and just turn the key. I know some cars with Webers will do that....but not many. But there is nothing like the sound of those Webers when you step on the loud-pedal.

BTW, did you have to roll your rear fenders at all to fit those rims/tires? I am thinking it would be nice to get a tiny bit more tire under the car - in the rear especially.

The rear was slightly flared from when it was new. So far I don’t know how to post more than one photo at a time! The Webers on mine work flawlessly. Fires up hot or cold immediatly almost like FI. It was dyno’d at 235hp.

[4CamGT]

<b>@Luke M - Yes, I have seen Enrique's set-up and that is very similar to what we do. Thanks for the link too.

[b]@4CamGT</b> - Great looking car and I totally appreciate the stealth nature of your car. Mine is similar but I stayed with the stock Motronic on my 3.2 and will keep the 3.6 stock as well. I originally considered Webers, I had a set, but then recalled that I was tired of playing with them and really wanted to be able to lean in the window and just turn the key. I know some cars with Webers will do that....but not many. But there is nothing like the sound of those Webers when you step on the loud-pedal.

BTW, did you have to roll your rear fenders at all to fit those rims/tires? I am thinking it would be nice to get a tiny bit more tire under the car - in the rear especially.

The rear was slightly flared from when it was new. So far I don’t know how to post more than one photo at a time! The Webers on mine work flawlessly. Fires up hot or cold immediatly almost like FI. It was dyno’d at 235hp.

[4CamGT]

3.2 with the original Webers and fan housing assembly.

[4CamGT]

3.2 with the original Webers and fan housing assembly.