914-6 “R”, Where does the R designation fit into the 914-6 history Options

[gereed75]

I have recently had a reason to look at the lineage of the factory 914-6 number 1543 owned by Tony Samojen and documented on Armando’s pbase 914-6 GT website. The original window sticker is shown there. It refers to this car in two places as a 914-6 “R”. No mention of GT

We talk about GT’s and M471 optioned cars, but it seems there is more significance to the R designation than the more commonly used GT designation.

This particular car was special ordered through a dealership and It seems that it was intended more as a street car. Kinda like the Cayman GT 4 RS. No GT roll bar.

I suspect vintage GT guru Glenn Staszak could provide more insight.

[914Sixer]

I know about the 911R but never heard of 914-6R.

[sechszylinder]

I have recently had a reason to look at the lineage of the factory 914-6 number 1543 owned by Tony Samojen and documented on Armando’s pbase 914-6 GT website. The original window sticker is shown there. It refers to this car in two places as a 914-6 “R”

We talk about GT’s and M471 optioned cars, but what is the significance of the R designation and where does it fit in the lineage of the six cars. This car was special ordered through a dealership and It seems that it was intended more as a street car. Kinda like the Cayman GT 4 RS. No GT roll bar.

I suspect vintage GT guru Glenn Staszak would know the full story.

As far as I know, there was never an "R" option of the car available from the factory.
Maybe the R is a US dealership creation ??

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Benno

[GregAmy]

Integra envy. Yo.

EDIT: the window sticker in question...

https://pbase.com/9146gt/image/66671166

[VegasRacer]

I know about the 911R but never heard of 914-6R.

Don't forget the Cayman R.


The R designation for this 914 appears to be a package of options and not a separate model.

[Shivers]

I went to google and the M471 was referred to as a "Race Package". Went and found a list of the GT & M471 cars, but your VIN was not on it. 100 liter tank, that was for the Rally cars (?) Maybe R is rally
@gereed75

[SirAndy]

The window sticker clearly states:
R Competition Option Group

and then goes on to list all the items in that group.
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PS: There is nothing on that window sticker to suggest that this car is a factory GT

[smg914]

[davep]

I have the factory data on 9140431543 and there is no competition options listed, just M565 leather covered steering wheel
M566 fog lights
M976 chrome rims
stock engine
so this must be the car that Tony converted to a GT tribute or Rallye car
In our 914/6 study group we have the window sticker labeled as fake; lots of items on the image above are suspicious

[SirAndy]

In our 914/6 study group we have the window sticker labeled as fake; lots of items on the image above are suspicious

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[zoomCat]

Here’s an example of a window sticker for a humble 1970 six. Destination charges weren’t listed separately.

[davep]

what is with the PORSCHE + AUDI? not see on any WS I have!
the frame line around the WS
the LOAD note is not seen on any 914/6 WS I have
the invoice # of 76350 is way out of line, should be in the 102xx range
Body type not seen on any 914/6 WS I have
Look at the multiple differences in the Distributor name & address
Port of Entry is different
5-speed transmission is the typical and only N.C. option listed
The whole bottom section is different including the address

option M471 is the fender flairs with wider rims & spacers, not on factory list of options (note: M471 for 911 is very different)
option M220 is the LSD, not on factory list of options


Quote Zoomcat: Here’s an example of a window sticker for a humble 1970 six. Destination charges weren’t listed separately.

Guy, that is a bill of sale. Very nice document to have. About the only other way to know the selling dealer.

[gereed75]

Interesting

I have no stake in the authenticity of that car nor did I start this thread to dispute it. I only mention it because it is the only time I have seen the 914-6 R designation used

But then there is the article that recently appeared in 000. This article written by Glenn essentially says that cars that became known as GT’s were built at the factory under what was known there as the 914-6 R program.

So were other cars (beyond the 14 original factory competition cars generally referred to as GT’s) built under the same R program, using parts that comprised the parts on the “Competition Type” list? There are way more cars referred to as GT’s than the original 14.

According to Glenn, the GT moniker came later, possibly coming from the homologation of these R built cars for GT racing.

Just trying to make sense of it.

[Maltese Falcon]

Tony Samojen's yellow GT next to the red 911, at one of our past Hollywood Tacos & Cruise ins. Very well sorted car>> I've heard that he sold the GT last year.
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[davep]

Tony Samojen's yellow GT next to the red 911, at one our past Hollywood Tacos & Cruise ins. Very well sorted car

I agree, Tony's attention to detail, and dedicated reproduction of the GT parts, was exceptional.

BTW, I do remember a reference to the 914/6 R as a car owned by Miles Collier in Florida. Since this was about 45 years ago it is a bit hazy and will take some time to track down.

[gereed75]

I found further reference to the 914-6 R program in this thread

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...171340&st=0

Some comments there indicate that maybe the R build program was limited to the original factory competition cars

I re-read Glenn’s 000 article very carefully in light of that possibility. Sure enough there it was in a caption to a picture of the Monte Carlo rally #1 914-6 where it says that car was “the final factory 914-6 R chassis”.

So there you have it, it seems the 914-6 R program covered those first 914-6 factory competition cars and then was done. The parts developed during the R program were used for the M471 option parts and the Competition Type parts that went into building the various cars that are commonly known as the 914-6 GT’s.

Seems logical to me. Maybe Glenn will pipe in to confirm.

[rgalla9146]

Here’s an example of a window sticker for a humble 1970 six. Destination charges weren’t listed separately.

That second piece is a sales document not a window sticker

[rgalla9146]

I live in Paramus New Jersey.
There was no Prestige Motors or Prestige Porsche in Paramus in the early 1970s
The dealers near here were Jack Daniels and Hermann Miller...now Paul Miller.
There was also Jess Jones in West New York and Manhattan Porsche/Audi in NYC

[wonkipop]

I have the factory data on 9140431543 and there is no competition options listed, just M565 leather covered steering wheel
M566 fog lights
M976 chrome rims
stock engine
so this must be the car that Tony converted to a GT tribute or Rallye car
In our 914/6 study group we have the window sticker labeled as fake; lots of items on the image above are suspicious

interesting topic.
yes one of those things i noticed with the 74 L jet research.
they changed the window sticker stationary for 74. to porsche + audi.
and all the other differences.

that so called 914 R w s is most definitely a fake.
the window stickers for 70 to 73 were different.

somebody made the mistake of faking one up using 74 stationary.
i guess you could get away with it once upon a time.
not as much knowledge floating around - would have been one or two people in the world would have picked that up pre-internet.

good old mr. b ( @JeffBowlsby ) has such a fab archive collection up on his website you can reference it these days. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

[davep]

BTW, the fake WS for 9140431543 has a weird engine # in the Model location. That exact engine number is on the Factory invoice for 9140431571


Now the story on 9140431571 is also convoluted. Originally destined for the Portuguese distributor as an ordinary 914/6 it was never delivered there and appears to have been sent to Weissach. There the car was converted to a GT and the original engine was upgraded to 901/26 spec. When delivered to Bozzani as a "new" car an inspection showed it had some very hard miles on it. So possibly used on the test track or even raced. The new owners found that the rules had changed and the car was no longer eligible for there intended use, and it was used very little by several subsequent owners.