Steering wheel relocate, Move steering wheel Options

[mwizard1]

So it looks like from what you all are saying that if I want to fix it, I have to come up w/ my own solution. Challange accepted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[windforfun]

Does anyone know of kit to center the steering wheel on the seat?

Why bother???

[wonkipop]

So it looks like from what you all are saying that if I want to fix it, I have to come up w/ my own solution. Challange accepted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

if you centre the steering wheel on the seat it won't be centred on the guage binnacle of the dashboard.

trust me. i went through all this 35 years ago converting my left hand drive 914 to right hand drive for australia.

there is so many ins and outs to this.

i can tell you a thought that crossed my mind all those years ago as i wrestled with pedal placement, a rhd fibreglass moulded dashbooard (copied from the 1970s english crayford conversion cars) and whether to use a rhd 911 pedal cluster or mod the original left hand drive pedal cluster was the thought that you could realign the seat rails on the same angle as the upper steering column.

if it really disturbs you that much this would be far easier to do.
just cut the seat rail tabs off the floor and reweld them down so that the seat directly alingns with the steering column.

just shifting the steering wheel will move you into a world of pain and other consequences.

personally i never picked up the angle of the steering column until i went to do the conversion and had my aha moment.
it felt very natural to me ergonomically speaking in left hand drive form and it was a hell of a lot of trouble and careful work to preserve those ergonomics in the conversion.

i've sat in and driven some other right hand drive 914s in australia.
believe me its possible to get it very very very wrong when meddling with the arrangement of the controls.

[mepstein]

So it looks like from what you all are saying that if I want to fix it, I have to come up w/ my own solution. Challange accepted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Change - yes, fix - no.

[KELTY360]

So it looks like from what you all are saying that if I want to fix it, I have to come up w/ my own solution. Challange accepted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That ought to keep you busy for awhile. Check back in when you're done. Don't forget, we love pictures.

[Front yard mechanic]

Steer by wire… should be easy

[Chris914n6]

So it looks like from what you all are saying that if I want to fix it, I have to come up w/ my own solution. Challange accepted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That ought to keep you busy for awhile. Check back in when you're done. Don't forget, we love pictures.

It's not that complicated. Cut the bolt holes off at different lengths and weld onto the other side. 1/2" offset accomplished. You'll need to loosen and re-tighten the shaft to add length.

Now to mess with your feet....

[r_towle]

While you are in there………..

[930cabman]

Steer by wire… should be easy

+1, can do this with AI for sure

[FL000]

I never knew about this before - will see how my type-A personality handles it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It has always felt nothing but natural, so maybe the designers had the right idea.

[windforfun]

I guess you don't clean your windshield.

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[Superhawk996]

Steer by wire… should be easy

+1, can do this with AI for sure

Dunning–Kruger effect. Nothing easy about it. Lots of complexity ranging from the need for redundant sensing, actuation motors, and ECU’s to control the system.

AI does not excel at being able to design a controls strategy, or tuning of a dynamic control system as complicated as steer by wire. Making art for memes, sure. For doing controls work, not a chance.

It is a funny comment though in light of the original non-problem that is shared by many sports cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[wonkipop]

if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of "fly by wire" forerunner to any xxx by wire system was to "fly the unflyable".



a 914 ain't exactly like trying to drive the undriveable.


you might just end up with deliciously numb feel that both audi and toyota have been able to create with variable electric power steering. where you ask yourself as you are driving, is this car really a brick travelling down the road disconnected to a thing which is like a circular grab handle in front of where i am sitting - and since i feel like a passenger why have i got a steering wheel at all?

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i like all those pedal layout diagrams posted above.
enough to make me have nightmares remembering the torment of converting to right hand drive. thankfully i sleep at night these days.
note how the clutch pedal is never a variable.
wise people have perfected those layouts.

[windforfun]

if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of "fly by wire" forerunner to any xxx by wire system was to "fly the unflyable".



a 914 ain't exactly like trying to drive the undriveable.


you might just end up with deliciously numb feel that both audi and toyota have been able to create with variable electric power steering. where you ask yourself as you are driving, is this car really a brick travelling down the road disconnected to a thing which is like a circular grab handle in front of where i am sitting - and since i feel like a passenger why have i got a steering wheel at all?

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i like all those pedal layout diagrams posted above.
enough to make me have nightmares remembering the torment of converting to right hand drive. thankfully i sleep at night these days.
note how the clutch pedal is never a variable.
wise people have perfected those layouts.

Nope, more or less. Servos have been around a looooong time. I've designed several. They're just not as smart as the human brain (of half the human population) to make safe logical decisions. The input matrix is limited as is the decision matrix. It's called optimal array processing. AI is just a bunch of dumb do loops. Driving by wire is fundamentally unsafe when in auto pilot. Driving by wire with a human at the stick is okay if everything is designed well & tested. Third order redundancy is necessary too. Just talk to my old buddies at McDonnell Douglas. Auto pilot only works when the servo doesn't fall out of decision space such that it can't acquire. Limited servo decision space (digital) or dynamic range (analog) is like driving drunk.

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[wonkipop]

if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of "fly by wire" forerunner to any xxx by wire system was to "fly the unflyable".



a 914 ain't exactly like trying to drive the undriveable.


you might just end up with deliciously numb feel that both audi and toyota have been able to create with variable electric power steering. where you ask yourself as you are driving, is this car really a brick travelling down the road disconnected to a thing which is like a circular grab handle in front of where i am sitting - and since i feel like a passenger why have i got a steering wheel at all?

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i like all those pedal layout diagrams posted above.
enough to make me have nightmares remembering the torment of converting to right hand drive. thankfully i sleep at night these days.
note how the clutch pedal is never a variable.
wise people have perfected those layouts.

Nope, more or less. Servos have been around a looooong time. I've designed several. They're just not as smart as the human brain (of half the human population) to make safe logical decisions. The input matrix is limited as is the decision matrix. It's called optimal array processing. AI is just a bunch of dumb do loops. Driving by wire is fundamentally unsafe when in auto pilot. Driving by wire with a human at the stick is okay if everything is designed well & tested. Third order redundancy is necessary too. Just talk to my old buddies at McDonnell Douglas. Auto pilot only works when the servo doesn't fall out of decision space such that it can't acquire. Limited servo decision space (digital) or dynamic range (analog) is like driving drunk.

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i like your third order of redundancy requirement. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[windforfun]

I'm pushing seventy & getting forgetful. I stand corrected regarding my previous post. Auto pilot & driving by wire are totally different. The former is closed loop & the later is open loop with a pilot.

[wonkipop]

I'm pushing seventy & getting forgetful. I stand corrected regarding my previous post. Auto pilot & driving by wire are totally different. The former is closed loop & the later is open loop with a pilot.

i'm 63 and probably three times as forgetful as you.
you are way in front (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[930cabman]

I'm pushing seventy & getting forgetful. I stand corrected regarding my previous post. Auto pilot & driving by wire are totally different. The former is closed loop & the later is open loop with a pilot.

i'm 63 and probably three times as forgetful as you.
you are way in front (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Just like a fine wine, gets better with age (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

[mwizard1]

So it looks like from what you all are saying that if I want to fix it, I have to come up w/ my own solution. Challange accepted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That ought to keep you busy for awhile. Check back in when you're done. Don't forget, we love pictures.

I have it apart at the dash. The bracket which guides the steering wheel is attached to a mount that is spot welded to the body. I can deal w/ that and it looks like the fuse plate will also need to be moved, too. I plan to move the gauge cluster over as well.

[Root_Werks]

Doing a little searching and haven't found a thread with pics of the seat rails being moved. That seems like more reasonable solution.

Anyone have any pics?