 Ball's fell out., Please help get 'em back in. |
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| Bee Jay |
 Aug 28 2005, 09:20 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964  |
While removing my engine to repair a head, the ball bearings fell out of one of my cv joints. The engine is back in, and I'v been trying to get these bearings back in the cv. I've cussed fussed and ate plenty of grease working under the car trying to get these things back in. What am I doing wrong. I went to the manual, and I understand the spacing is in groups of two, not equidistant, but I still can't get this back together. I did a search, and I apologize if this has been answered already. I am extremely frustrated right now.
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| TravisNeff |
Aug 28 2005, 09:29 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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You may have to remove the CV from the axle. But first try to rotate the cage as far as you can on one side, and pull the outer race the other and see if you can get the ball back in.
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| John |
Aug 28 2005, 10:44 PM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
I'm sorry, but if the balls "fell out" of your CV joints with the axle shafts in place, you are fucked. You need to find a replacement CV joint.
If the joints were never put together correctly, and if for some reason, you could put them back in and have them work, you must remove the CV joint from the axle shaft, clean up the CV joint, rotate the inner portion of the CV joint , insert balls, rotate inner portion of CV joint back, repack CV Joint and reinstall CV joint to axle shaft. Good luck. |
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 29 2005, 07:19 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
Dang it. Can I preplace the cv with the axle in the car?
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 29 2005, 07:49 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
yea, but it won't be fun... just pull it, it will be a lot easier... and you can inspect the rest of the axle... |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 29 2005, 09:08 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Sounds like rebuild time....I always keep an extra set of axles in the garage. Slam in the spare, rebuild the screwed up unit later.
I have an extra set if you need it. |
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| Porsche Rescue |
Aug 29 2005, 10:26 AM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Remove the entire axle by removing the cotter key and 30mm nut at the outer end. It will take someone inside with a foot on the brake and a long cheater bar to remove the nut. Repair CV on the bench which is hard/messy enough without trying to do it under the car. DO NOT move the car while the axle is out or you can lose your rear wheel bearing.
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 29 2005, 10:43 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
I'm in the middle of installing the engine. I guess I can press with shifter linkage, clutch cable, throtle linkage, hook up the wire harness, reconnect the heater ducts, etc. before I lower the car. Doesn't the car have to be on the ground to loosen that 250ft lb. axle nut. Hey, I've never removed an axle, how do you do it? Hey, Mikey Z, can I get one of those axles? Does it already have a new cv joint on it? My goal is to drive the car to Ventura 9/10, and a ready to go axle would be sweeeet. Hey Cap'n. Are you up yet? Am I screwed for real?
Bee Jay Edit. I guess Jim posted above while I was writting this, and he answered some of my questions. Thanks Jim. |
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| TravisNeff |
Aug 29 2005, 01:19 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region
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All you have to do is undo the 4 CV bolts just as you did on the inboard end. Whole axle comes right out.
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| Porsche Rescue |
Aug 29 2005, 04:41 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Yes, you can remove the four bolts, leaving the stub axle in place. However, in my experience it can be difficult to clean, remove old gasket, and reinstall new one while it is all inside the trailing arm. Also, the 12 point "triple" square bolts can be packed with dirt/grease and difficult to remove without stripping. I prefer to remove the stub axle with outer CV attached.
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 29 2005, 05:00 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Bee Jay...they are just known gud axles with CVs on them. Ask Krusty for my cell # and call when passing thru.
I'm heading to Monterey the 7th-8th....so.... |
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 29 2005, 10:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
John Larson, The Cap'n is tha man. He's a very nice guy too, not at all crusty. He helped me with my balls:-). I dropped by his shop today, and he was showing some young kid how to work on his BMW. Then he showed this old kid how to re-assemble cv joints. (there is a trick) He had a box of bad ones to demonstrate on, and he let me take one home to practice. He also told me how to remove the cv joints without removing the axle. Just remove the circlip and tap the cv joint out. I did that, cleaned and reassembled with the bearings. And put them back on the axle. I just finished. I will pack them tomorow, and continue with my engine install. What does everyone recomend for packing grease?
Bee Jay Mike Z, thanks for the offer. Do you change your signature picture daily? I really liked the dancer. |
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| Porsche Rescue |
Aug 29 2005, 10:26 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
You found the right teacher. You should use grease which is intended specifically for CV joints. I use small tubes which I get at my local VW bug parts store. One tube is correct amount for one joint, 3 grams I think. You put 2/3 of the tube in the boot end and work the remainder into the joint from the other end.
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| markb |
Aug 29 2005, 10:31 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California
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Well done! I learned a lot, pulling & cleaning those CV's last week. I had to to the trial & error thing to get a couple back together (I didn't want to show too much ignorance to the Cap'n). (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) See ya at GAF, if not before. |
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 30 2005, 03:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
I just came back from my FLAPS. They tried to sell me wheel bearing grease. I wanted something that said CV Join Grease. Is it the same thing. I left empy handed. I'm going to NAPA after work. What do I want?
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| Porsche Rescue |
Aug 30 2005, 04:00 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Look in the yellow pages for a VW specialty parts shop, one that deals with bug parts.
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 30 2005, 04:02 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
moly based grease
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| Bee Jay |
Aug 30 2005, 04:28 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Lompoc, Ca. Member No.: 3,964 |
I live in slo-poke Lompoc. VW specealty shop would be the Cap'n. in Santa Maria. I'll try the moly based stuff.
Bee Jay |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 30 2005, 05:02 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
I hear sum of dem parts houses deliver....... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 30 2005, 05:05 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
cv grease is big heavy black goo.... moly based
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