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| Jake Raby |
 Sep 28 2005, 11:15 PM
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Engine Surgeon  Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States  |
He's not my assistant in real life- just for the video...
300 was back then- I have closer to 500 now.... and know where 180 more are, but have no more room for them... |
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| Hammy |
Sep 28 2005, 11:20 PM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
So Jake.. in your opinion, what would be best...
Upgrading to the new ported heads for me would mean elimating most of the other upgrades. I'd like the ported heads, but I also want to add an engine case, mallory, pre-prepare assembly and balance. Using used ported heads with all these upgrades would still leave me in my price range. New heads totally brings me out. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Or to even upgrade the heads at all? |
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| Twystd1 |
Sep 28 2005, 11:23 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
Thanks for the answers Hammy,
Now I think we all have a better idea of what you need. I'll bet ya i can find you a used set of Bursch headers (not the heat exchangers) for almost NADA. You will just have to blast them and give em some paint. The Jake engine method is the ONLY way to go if you want the best. period. As far as suspension... hang around here some more and let us know what your looking for. I think a few really good deals will come your way.... Just trust the process my friend... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Check in with you later.. Twystd1 |
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| Hammy |
Sep 29 2005, 03:03 AM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
Hey Clayton.
Nada you say? hhmm.. I really do need heat, as it'll be my everything car, as well as winter car, I get cold easy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) but for nada.. depends what nada is.(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Yep, I want the best, which is Jake. Wouldn't settle for less. And I'm going the whole engine first route on the car, so i'll have a driver while it's slowly being restored to how I want it... I'll worry about the suspension later on, when the time comes, that's a another whole different boat of confusion for me. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Sep 29 2005, 08:49 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
The only upgrades that you really need is the prep work. The balancing is included at a state that is more than sufficient for an engine of this tune. I would get the prep option and use the balancing money for the new heads..... Like I said, I will balance it to a level thats more than acceptable at no extra charge as a standard..
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| Hammy |
Sep 29 2005, 09:40 PM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
Thanks for the replies.
Alright, so adequate balancing is already done.. sounds good. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) Does the prep work option require that you have an engine case? To be on the safe side, is it a good idea to add an engine case? Also, I am still unsure about the mallory distributor option... |
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| Jake Raby |
Sep 30 2005, 08:06 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
The prep work does not generally include work to your crankcase. For a 2056 kit the only prep the case would need would be drilled and tapped for galley plugs. If you send your case in I will do the galley plugs and inspect the case for 75.00 extra.
The prep work goes deep into detail, we build your rockers, fit and gap the rings, and much, much more.. As for the Mallory- It can be added any time... Spend the money you have now on internals, you can't do that later as easy as a dizzy swap... 90% of my customers worry about the small things too much and get ahead of themselves- buy the kit, get it assembled and take your time.. Then worry about topping it off, not now.... |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Sep 30 2005, 09:49 AM
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How are the SSI's better than stock heat exchangers? Just curious. I know you've done extensive dyno testing Jake, just wondered how the two different HE's dyno'd out.
The flanges on the SSI's are crap compared to the factory boxes, about 1/2 the thickness (or less), and I've never seen the bolt bosses come off the factory boxes, which isn't uncommon for the SSI's. Granted there's no excuse for over torqing the exhaust flange nuts, but you'll never deform the flanges or bosses on the factory heat exchangers. |
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| Dominic |
Sep 30 2005, 10:08 AM
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Dominic Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Vacaville, CA Member No.: 149 Region Association: Northern California |
I think you meant to say Bursch Muffler (not headers), the Bursch muffler bolts up to the heat exchangers....not to be confused with a real header. |
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| Twystd1 |
Sep 30 2005, 08:30 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
Thanks Dominic...
I stand corrected.. Twystd1 |
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| Hammy |
Sep 30 2005, 08:58 PM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
Clayton, have any idea how the bursch muffler sounds? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) All my friends claim my current setup sounds like a lawnmower.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)
Thanks Jake, that makes me feel better... you're like my shrink now. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) If I were to send you my case and pay for the inspection, if there were something to be "wrong" with it, could you "fix" it.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) ameteur speaking here. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 30 2005, 09:11 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
Bursch - pretty good sound. Single outlet. If you are going to stay with stock HE's, id recommend a TRIAD muffler. kick ass - dual out, sounds nice and quiet at idle, and like a small block at high rpms... VERY throaty.... |
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| Twystd1 |
Sep 30 2005, 10:02 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
The Bursch is cheap... Works OK, Sounds better than stock. And probably works a bit better than stock. Ask Jake if it gives you more power. he would know cause he has dyno'd them before.
The Triad that Aaron is talking about sounds Kewl. The downside is that it is heavy.... it has three glass packs built into it's system. I always try to stay away from adding un-needed weight to a teener. We will find ya a busch when it is time... Just let the club know what you need and let us help you. This place is a family for some of us. We try help each other. Twystd1 |
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| Twystd1 |
Sep 30 2005, 10:20 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
What are you talking about?
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| Hammy |
Sep 30 2005, 10:39 PM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
Sounds cool... yes, i'll worry about that when it's time...
hhmm.. looking on PP I also notice Sebring mufflers.. even cheaper (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Wonder if they sound like crap? |
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| jd74914 |
Oct 1 2005, 08:32 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,782 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Chris Foley told me that the Bursch give a minimal increase over the stock banana (minimal meaning maybe 2hp) They do sound better than stock IMHO, and mine definately doesn't shound like a lawnmower, its more like a v8 glasspack sound. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
Go for a used bursch, its better, you don't really need new stuff (chances are any SSI HE's you get are used because they are $$$ new) |
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| Brando |
Oct 1 2005, 02:02 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
Just using the Bursch collector with a different muffler is a good idea. Or when your muffler goes bad replace it with a glass-pack (myself and another clubber have done this). Sounds good. Bring earplugs if standing behind the car at 4500rpms (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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