OT: formula vee, next project Options

[machina]

I had a sport racer which scared the hell out of me. Like a formula car, I could not get past the relative location of my feet to the front of the car. Feet first is not how you want to hit a wall. Pretty sure they never sled tested a FV.

Also, hooking wheels is a very real danger in opened wheel racing, makes a big mess.

They will not allow open wheel cars to run with any of our normal PCA, PBOC, etc events down here. Too big a difference in size of vehicle and the open wheel cars make too many stone chips on all the other guys new porsches and ferraris.

[Sammy]

A guy from Arizona showed up to a recent AX at Irwindale with a modified formula V.
He only had partial bodywork on it, a wing, and a built up 1600 cc engine. I think he had shorter wheels with wider slicks also.
All i could say was "I gotta build one".
This thing was purposely modified for AX and it was a rocket. He took corners without lifting where I was nearly locking up the brakes.
I'd love to get an old F-V and put a type 4 in it and call it a "modified Porsche" and hit the PCA autocrosses with it. Gotta be a blast.
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[Trekkor]

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That will happen. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif)

Fat tires, my 2.0 type 4 with dual Webers and megaphones.

That'll tweak 'em...


KT

[machina]

QUOTE (trekkor @ Oct 10 2005, 03:17 PM)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) That will happen. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif) Fat tires, my 2.0 type 4 with dual Webers and megaphones. That'll tweak 'em... KT

how much more does the TIV weigh roughly?

does it bolt up to the tranny direct?

[Jake Raby]

Yep- it bolts right up... The FV uses a VW trans, the bolt pattern has remained the same from 1946- the end of the 993 series between VW and Porsche..

I have a retrofit assembly for the release bearing that increases the artiulation of the stock VW cross shaft for the clutch to work better with the TIV flywheel... And also the flywheel that bolts right on perfectly to make it all work like a well oiled machine...

Incompatible parts will cause you a shitty pedal, broken parts and headaches... I mastered this interchange about 20 years ago...

[theol00]

Trekkor - you da man - you have more toys now - I hate it - I want one too!

[Tom Perso]

I pony up the cash for a beefed up trans (swing axle, right?) with the appropriate gears. Maybe a short R/P so you'll always stay in 2nd, no 1st gear shifts.

Get the super diff, hardened axles, etc, etc...

Rev 'er up to 5 grand on the starting grid and dump the clutch.

Booyah!

Tom

[Sammy]

Excuse me if this is a dumb question, but why not use a 914 tranny?
Rig up some coil over shocks and trailing arms, that has to be better than a 4 speed swing axle, right? That's what I have planned if I ever actually do it. Maybe even a turbocharged type 4, except you can't turbocharge a formula V (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

I see no reason to keep it stock, unless they still run F-Vs somewhere.

[Trekkor]

I actually have a complete type 1 turbo kit promised to me up in Mendicino County somewhere... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)

Jake, will you sell individual goodies to a clubber?

KT

[Dave_Darling]

QUOTE (Sammy @ Oct 10 2005, 03:08 PM)

I see no reason to keep it stock, unless they still run F-Vs somewhere.

Oh, they do all right... There's a thriving Vee community out there. SCCA has an FV class, and there are groups for Vintage Vees as well! A couple of years ago, the leaders at the Runoffs got their wheels a bit tangled up, and several of them went for short flights. One landed pretty well, recovered, and went on to win the race!! Looked amazing on Speedvision.

--DD

[Sammy]

Thanks for the heads up dave, I thot it was a dead class.
Personally I don't think I would be interested in wheel to wheel racing, just building an AX killer.

Biggest problem would be fitting into one. I'm waaay too big to fit in the one I saw a few weeks ago unless I cut my legs off at the knee and had the steering wheel in my crotch. I barely fit in a 914 with the seat cushing cut down.
Sometimes being big isn't an advantage.

[NoEcm]

Warm up lap just prior to the start. Imagine this for 30 minutes:

http://www.sracing.com/forsale/sample.wmv

(4 meg video clip)

[grantsfo]

Damn thats scary looking! I'm curious if you were to upgrade to 914 tranny and engine would it qualify as a Porsche for PCA AX?

[Trekkor]

As a PCA member, we can drive our "other" car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)

KT

[DBCooper]

How about one with a supercharged T4? I don't know if you can lighten them any more than this:

Blown SuperV Autocrosser

Kind of like a 914 with none of the rusty parts left.

[jd74914]

QUOTE (Sammy @ Oct 11 2005, 11:08 AM)

Thanks for the heads up dave, I thot it was a dead class. Personally I don't think I would be interested in wheel to wheel racing, just building an AX killer. Biggest problem would be fitting into one. I'm waaay too big to fit in the one I saw a few weeks ago unless I cut my legs off at the knee and had the steering wheel in my crotch. I barely fit in a 914 with the seat cushing cut down. Sometimes being big isn't an advantage.

The Formula SAE guys at some schools I'm looking at were telling me that the only cars that beat them in long AXs are the "reworked" FV's. Thats kinda scary considering the SAE cars pul almost 1.5g's and have a 0-60 of about 3.5 seconds (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif)

[Trekkor]

Did a little toolin' on the Vee today.

Removed all the body panels, front beam, rear end suspension/trans, fuel cell, seat belts, fire system, dash and guages, steering wheel.

Going through the whole thing, ground up.

The tube frame needs to be cleaned up and re-painted.
Brakes rebuilt. Electrical refreshed. etc...

First day working on it. Spent about two hours.


KT

[MecGen]

You da man (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

Cool score !!! In my circle of friends, Vees are a hot topic, I guess I'm getting old (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

There is still an underground following for these, but you have to look for it. I am definatly gonna ask a bud about whats going on over here. This class has seemed to have fazed out for the newer/hotter carts, F**k they're fast.

I love open wheels. You gotta keep us posted.
How long have you been racing (polite way to ask your aprox age)

+Karma
Later

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[JFJ914]

FV's are absolutely the the most fun you can have with your clothes on. I barrel rolled one up a shear sided cliff in Bridgehampton's turn 1 in 1974. Only damage was 2 bent front control arms and lots of sand and pebbles in my helmet. The weightlessness was really cool.