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| SirAndy |
  Oct 10 2005, 04:28 PM
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Resident German  Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California  |
so i went by the shop this morning to look at my engine, still hoping i may just need a top end rebuild ...
DENIED now here's the *interesting* part. at this point, i'd really, really like to get my dirty little hands on the actual engine builder! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/slap.gif) consider this: you're building a "high end" T4 racing engine for a customer. all nice, expensive components, big vales, yada yada. you assemble the heads and 2 valves seem a bit "sticky". hmmm. upon closer inspection, you see that the valve stems are bend. you could easily order two new valves, but that would cost time and money, and hey, it's a racing engine, that thing won't last long anyways, right? so, you decide to do the "quick fix" and simply add two stronger valve springs to the bend valves and voila, they move again! yepp, you guessed it, that's exactly what happend to my engine. oh, and btw. did i mention that the camshaft went flat on those two lobes within less than 4000 miles? but wait, there's more! the piston rings had too much play (up/down) and they wore down the piston material and now move about 1mm up/down in each direction. left some nice marks on the cylinders as well. and did i mention the cracked heads? the case will be split today and i'm afraid they're going to find even more good stuff in there ... man am i glad i have a bunch of booze leftover from this weekends party, i'm gonna need some ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drunk.gif) Andy |
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| Allan |
Oct 10 2005, 04:31 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
Bummer. Sorry to hear that.
It's times like these when those Doc Martins come in handy... |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 10 2005, 04:36 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 10 2005, 04:41 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
ouch dude.....
so 6 valves had single springs and 2 had HD or doubles? wtf (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/alfred.gif) sorry to hear of your screwing (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 10 2005, 04:44 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
nope, all had double springs, otherwise we would have noticed at the first valve adjustment ... but when they took the vales out of the heads, the springs on the 2 bend valves were much longer than the other ones !!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/fighting19.gif) Andy |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 10 2005, 04:45 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
geez... that sucks man. any recourse with the builder? |
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| Toast |
Oct 10 2005, 04:48 PM
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Not bad for carrying sway bars. Group: Members Posts: 3,380 Joined: 20-January 04 From: Las Vegas Member No.: 1,580 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Sorry andy, that sucks! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) Hope all inside the case is ok. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
I had an engine built by a "well renown" VW engine builder named Steve Tims. I paid for the performance parts I wanted, and gave him explicits on how I wanted it built. It took me nearly three months to get it. After 2 years of running like crap and having multiple problems with it, it finally sized. When the case was split, found out NONE of the high-end performance parts I paid for were in there, and it was not built no where near what I had requested. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif) As a matter of fact, it looked like one of his slap-together assembly line engines he builds for some manufacturer. |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 10 2005, 04:48 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
if only i knew his name, for some reason, the guy wanted to stay anonymous ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 10 2005, 04:50 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
wouldn't surprise me if that was the same guy. only zois knows ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Andy |
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| olav |
Oct 10 2005, 04:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,107 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Los Gatos, CA. USA Member No.: 34 Region Association: None |
I guess that's a bad sign... |
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| redshift |
Oct 10 2005, 05:16 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Andy...
SHIT FUCK! That needed to be said... delete if you must, but first... say it with me, won't you.. SHIT FUCK! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) M |
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| Engman |
Oct 10 2005, 05:18 PM
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Zoisite Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,349 Joined: 25-March 03 From: New Albany, IN Member No.: 475  |
Man - sorry to hear that. Ouch!
Still have the old engine? M |
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| jonwatts |
Oct 10 2005, 05:20 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141 |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 10 2005, 05:23 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
#5 needs more input as for the /6, i'm keeping my fingers crossed that a certain individual decides to part with his engine. we'll see if that works out ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) Andy |
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| Trekkor |
Oct 10 2005, 05:46 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I feel bad for you, Andy.
makes me upset, too. Have you contacted our favorite lurker? You might want to change your signiture about now... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) ( good (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) ) Everyone: read mine (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif) KT This post has been edited by trekkor: Oct 10 2005, 06:05 PM |
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| Jeroen |
Oct 10 2005, 05:49 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
man... that sucks... big time
but I'd have to agree with Jon have a ritual burning for this nasty POS and go for a six |
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| olav |
 Oct 10 2005, 05:52 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,107 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Los Gatos, CA. USA Member No.: 34 Region Association: None |
A six is what you really want anyway...right? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) |
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| Eric Taylor |
Oct 10 2005, 05:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 1-June 03 From: Newport, OR/Eugene Oregon- UO Member No.: 770 |
Go 6 man, that car of yours deserves it after all this crap. It seems to be rejecting 4's, I'm sure a 6 would be a wonderful relationship (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) . Money spent on that type 4 just sounds like more terds down the shoot towards the fan.
Eric P.S. This is the motor you bought from zois right? Wasn't their some from of warranty with it, it seems you have incriminating evidence that this motor was built WAY wrong. |
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| lapuwali |
Oct 10 2005, 06:02 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
Even if a certain person doesn't part with their way oversized Six, there was a 2.2 longblock on craigs for $1500 quite recently, and Rich Herzog is also selling a 2.2 longblock for about the same money. Rebuild one of them into a high-compression 2.5 with aftermarket EFI, and you're all set.
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 10 2005, 06:04 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
ahndy....
if you go six... i got dibs on your /4 rockers and swivel feet (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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