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| jimkelly |
 Dec 31 2007, 05:28 PM
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Delaware USA  Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
very nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| atsealevel914 |
Jan 1 2008, 10:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Miami,FL Member No.: 1,618 |
Steve, you have a pm.
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| atsealevel914 |
Jan 10 2008, 05:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Miami,FL Member No.: 1,618 |
So, does anyone have any idea how were gonna get our speedos to work with the subaru transaxles? Im using the FWD tranny from the legacy. it has a mechanical shaft for the speedo. probably something can be done with the later AWD trannys which have electonic type speedo sensors. I wonder if I can put The electric sensor from the AWD into my FWD? Anyone? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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| charliew |
Jan 10 2008, 06:38 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
QUOTE(atsealevel914 @ Jan 10 2008, 05:50 PM)  So, does anyone have any idea how were gonna get our speedos to work with the subaru transaxles? Im using the FWD tranny from the legacy. it has a mechanical shaft for the speedo. probably something can be done with the later AWD trannys which have electonic type speedo sensors. I wonder if I can put The electric sensor from the AWD into my FWD? Anyone? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Ok, I'm not really sure yet if an aftermarket speedo will work on the electric drive subies. If it's mechanical drive there is a little gear reduction drive that you can change gear ratios in to adjust the speedometer output shaft to the correct revolutions per mile. It usually fits on the tranny where the speedometer cable attaches on american trannys and then the cable attaches to the reduction assembly. I've used them on 4wd stuff before. I don't know if it will fit the subie but I bet you could figger it out. On the electric speedo we need to know how many pulses per revolution of the output shaft the subie has. Then see what the aftermarket can adjust to. I haven't gotten around to this problem yet. Hope you master this before I have to. I'm pretty sure the vss kit that small car sells only keeps the ecu happy and stops cells, I don't think it is the correct number of pulses for the speedometer. The electric is probably a hall device, which means it will have a wheel on the output shaft with a bunch of protrusions that pass by the pickup sensor. The mechanical one will have a gear on the main shaft to mesh with the gear that goes to the cable. Charliew |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 10 2008, 06:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(atsealevel914 @ Jan 10 2008, 03:50 PM) So, does anyone have any idea how were gonna get our speedos to work with the subaru transaxles? Im using the FWD tranny from the legacy. it has a mechanical shaft for the speedo. probably something can be done with the later AWD trannys which have electonic type speedo sensors. I wonder if I can put The electric sensor from the AWD into my FWD? Anyone? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I just went out in the rain to look at my AWD trans (it's in a shed) the sender looks like it will fit in the FWD trans. It seems to be just stuck into the trans but I can't pull it out - and I don't want to destroy it just to see if it comes out or not. I need to find my service manual scans and they were on my old PC that lost the HD controller. I plan on using this sender and an electronic speedo installed in the stock speedo housing. If that doesn't work all we need to do is make a simple magnet setup on one of the flanges and a VDO pickup, or you have a speedo shop make you a custom speedo with a 914 end and a suby end. Steve. |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 10 2008, 06:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
If you want in on the flange buy get your checks in the mail. I have to pay the shop upfront before they will start work on these parts. I can't afford to buy 5 sets and "hope" that they sell.
I have 3 checks so far. If you have sent me a check and I have not got back to you PM me. Steve |
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| atsealevel914 |
Jan 10 2008, 07:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Miami,FL Member No.: 1,618 |
QUOTE(charliew @ Jan 10 2008, 04:38 PM) QUOTE(atsealevel914 @ Jan 10 2008, 05:50 PM) So, does anyone have any idea how were gonna get our speedos to work with the subaru transaxles? Im using the FWD tranny from the legacy. it has a mechanical shaft for the speedo. probably something can be done with the later AWD trannys which have electonic type speedo sensors. I wonder if I can put The electric sensor from the AWD into my FWD? Anyone? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Ok, I'm not really sure yet if an aftermarket speedo will work on the electric drive subies. If it's mechanical drive there is a little gear reduction drive that you can change gear ratios in to adjust the speedometer output shaft to the correct revolutions per mile. It usually fits on the tranny where the speedometer cable attaches on american trannys and then the cable attaches to the reduction assembly. I've used them on 4wd stuff before. I don't know if it will fit the subie but I bet you could figger it out. On the electric speedo we need to know how many pulses per revolution of the output shaft the subie has. Then see what the aftermarket can adjust to. I haven't gotten around to this problem yet. Hope you master this before I have to. I'm pretty sure the vss kit that small car sells only keeps the ecu happy and stops cells, I don't think it is the correct number of pulses for the speedometer. The electric is probably a hall device, which means it will have a wheel on the output shaft with a bunch of protrusions that pass by the pickup sensor. The mechanical one will have a gear on the main shaft to mesh with the gear that goes to the cable. Charliew , QUOTE(Porcharu @ Jan 10 2008, 04:39 PM) QUOTE(atsealevel914 @ Jan 10 2008, 03:50 PM) So, does anyone have any idea how were gonna get our speedos to work with the subaru transaxles? Im using the FWD tranny from the legacy. it has a mechanical shaft for the speedo. probably something can be done with the later AWD trannys which have electonic type speedo sensors. I wonder if I can put The electric sensor from the AWD into my FWD? Anyone? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I just went out in the rain to look at my AWD trans (it's in a shed) the sender looks like it will fit in the FWD trans. It seems to be just stuck into the trans but I can't pull it out - and I don't want to destroy it just to see if it comes out or not. I need to find my service manual scans and they were on my old PC that lost the HD controller. I plan on using this sender and an electronic speedo installed in the stock speedo housing. If that doesn't work all we need to do is make a simple magnet setup on one of the flanges and a VDO pickup, or you have a speedo shop make you a custom speedo with a 914 end and a suby end. Steve. |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 10 2008, 10:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
I mean drive by wire speedo. If the cable works - great if not we can use the new stuff.
Steve |
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| GS Guy |
Jan 11 2008, 06:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 8-July 04 From: Columbia, MD Member No.: 2,325 Region Association: North East States |
You guys might want to contact Speedometer Solutions in WI. They apparently can do pretty much anything with any kind of speedometer/transmission output (gear change boxes, mechanical to electric converters, etc.). I just got a converter that switches my 914 mechanical speedometer output to electrical - no speedo cable! Super nice die cast housing, custom fit, excellent quality!
1-414-463-6660 8-4 CST 1-414-463-6661 FAX www.speedometersolutions.com info@speedometersolutions.com Jeff |
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| charliew |
Jan 11 2008, 10:38 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
QUOTE(GS Guy @ Jan 11 2008, 06:15 AM) You guys might want to contact Speedometer Solutions in WI. They apparently can do pretty much anything with any kind of speedometer/transmission output (gear change boxes, mechanical to electric converters, etc.). I just got a converter that switches my 914 mechanical speedometer output to electrical - no speedo cable! Super nice die cast housing, custom fit, excellent quality! 1-414-463-6660 8-4 CST 1-414-463-6661 FAX www.speedometersolutions.com info@speedometersolutions.com Jeff Thanks Jeff, I was hoping someone had already crossed this bridge. Thank you veeeery much. This probably saved several hours research. Ok, I called Roger at speedometer solutions and here's the deal, I told him I have a 02 wrx tranny and it has a sensor with three wires and I have a 96 tt tranny I hope to use that only has two wires. He thinks the three wire will be 1 power, 2ground, 3 signal. He says I can put a meter on the wires with the car jacked up and check the output on the leads and probably determine what the type of sender it is. It will be ac volts cause it hasn't gone through a rectifier (my assumption). It could be reed which is not useable or magnetic pickup (coil type which some call it a generator) He thinks autometer is the easiest to work with, it is the most adjustable. We may not need anything but schematics. I told him I read somewhere that someone said the sender went to the speedometer first and then the ecu to take care of vss feedback on the obd2 stuff (as the 02 wrx is) but maybe the 96 (2 wire) did not do this. On the senders he got a little over me on some being pnp and npn as in transisters. I think I have the ecu pinouts somewhere on the 96 tt ecu. I can use the small car vss to take care of that when I use the 02 wrx ecu (I'm going to try to do open ecu) and then just have the stock 96 sender drive a autometer speedo that bigmark designs will make to fit in the 914 stock speedo with a new face and 160 mph numbers. At first glance this seems pretty straight forward. I sent Big Mark Designs ( he has a aol web page) a email about making a 914 speedo with the autometer 160 electric speedo inside. Charliew |
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| marks914 |
Jan 11 2008, 02:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: 9-October 04 From: the motor city Member No.: 2,912 Region Association: None |
I'd be willing to give building one a shot. If you can find one that works, I can find a way to get it to fit. The autometer speedos have a LCD odometer, I do not know if that matters or not to any one. A 3 3/8 diameter gauge will fit into the 914 housing.
The autometer speedos start at around $170, so the price would probably be around $100-150 to install it, new matching faceplate and 914 needle. I would also need a speedo core as well. Mark |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 13 2008, 12:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
One last time to get your order in for the magic flanges!!! I have 3 checks and one more "in the mail" and 2 more "want to buy." Once I hit 5 checks I will order the parts. If all I get is the 3 checks I will just order the 3 pairs and eat the higher cost.
The next buy (if there is one) WILL cost more so get in now if you want them. The "new" price for 1 pair will be at least $575 (that is if I order only 1 pair from the shop) Steve QUOTE(Porcharu @ Jan 10 2008, 04:43 PM) If you want in on the flange buy get your checks in the mail. I have to pay the shop upfront before they will start work on these parts. I can't afford to buy 5 sets and "hope" that they sell. I have 3 checks so far. If you have sent me a check and I have not got back to you PM me. Steve |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 14 2008, 06:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
Here is some info from Matthew Monson on the speedometer senders in the Suby transmissions.
The tranny doesn't care what kind of sender. You can mix and match early and late. It's threaded in there. However what does care is the engine and ECU. As long as you have a late ECU and wiring harness that uses the electronic speedo, you'll be fine. |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 15 2008, 10:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
What's next? Mounts, shifter, clutch linkage, starter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| Zaney |
Jan 15 2008, 07:00 PM
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Deuchland en der Haus Group: Members Posts: 461 Joined: 1-March 04 From: Engine 11 Redmond, WA Member No.: 1,738 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) We are sending positive vibes your way!
Awesome job again on spearheading the flanges!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 15 2008, 11:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Porcharu @ Jan 15 2008, 08:01 AM) Starter - it's the easiest. I just ordered one to mess with. Steve |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 18 2008, 12:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
I changed my mind and started working on the mounts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) I mocked up the main cross bar today and I am not sure I like it. Just a straight piece of tubing running between the stock motor mounts. It flexed about 1/8 of an inch when I stand on it - it's 1-1/2" 0.083 wall tubing (it might be the next thickness up.) I am considering going up to 2" for this one tube, need to run the numbers and see how much that will help.
Steve We have 8 buyers for the flanges plus my extra pair (7 have sent checks) the flange order is ON (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 21 2008, 01:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
I am waiting for the exact cost from the shop for 10 sets of flanges, then the check goes into the mail.
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| Porcharu |
Jan 22 2008, 01:27 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
I got the reply today. The check goes out Tuesday. 10 sets of flanges are on the way. Thanks everyone!
Steve |
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| Porcharu |
Jan 23 2008, 12:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Porcharu @ Jan 21 2008, 11:27 PM) I got the reply today. The check goes out Tuesday. 10 sets of flanges are on the way. Thanks everyone! Steve The check is in the mail! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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