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| Porcharu |
 Feb 7 2006, 01:47 AM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California  |
I have one of those - wife bought it as a birthday present after I lost (well it's not lost I know where it is) it on our honeymoon in a reef in Fiji. That ring you showed is one of the expensive ones - his other ones are less than $150 I wear mine all the time unless I'm doing something that might break my finger. The rings come with a big warning that EMT's can't cut a TI ring off your finger and your hosed if it's broke. Mr. Statman is a cool guy too, he does this amazing work in a home shop. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) |
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| alpha434 |
Feb 7 2006, 01:57 AM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Stay on topic! Coatings!!!
And yeah, those rings re really nice. I wanted to etch a japanese-style dragon in mine, but like I said, never got to it. |
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| alpha434 |
Feb 9 2006, 08:07 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Progress update. Pictures!!!
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| alpha434 |
Feb 9 2006, 08:08 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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| alpha434 |
Feb 9 2006, 08:08 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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| Brian Mifsud |
Feb 9 2006, 09:04 PM
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Mechanical Engineer Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 3-March 03 From: Penngrove, CA Member No.: 384 Region Association: None |
One question I haven't seen anyone ask.. ..
All the applications I've seen for Titanium connecting rods are either in drag/sprint/or F1/Indy type of cars.. meaning very high RPM... It makes sense to keep the mass low at 9000+ RPM Does your backer think he's gonna see north of 7000RPM in a 356 engine? I'd love to see the cylinder heads and push rod valve train which will live there.. What is his application? |
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| Mueller |
Feb 9 2006, 09:49 PM
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that's funny (and not very impressive (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) ).........believe it or not, there are a few of those on the site here and a few have responded to your questions (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) as for the coating, have you tried calling a few places and ask? I'd try this place Sputtek...worse case is they say no, so you ask if they can recommend something or someplace........ If I was a manufacture of Ti rods and saw this post, I wouldn't be telling any trade secrects. You could also try some other forums, but instead of coming off as a expert machinest in Ti, try being a little humble and just ask a general question on the coating....say you have a set of rods already and you are worried of the galling or something to that effect.... by the way, nice looking part.....I kinda wonder if there would be a market for half finished parts such that...done right it would look cool as a paperweight (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) |
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| lapuwali |
Feb 9 2006, 09:55 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
I think this is one of those cases where the buyer has way too much money, and is basically buying bling, not function. He's managed to talk Alpha here into making them for him, and as long as Alpha is getting paid to do it, and isn't going to take a huge bath when the guy stiffs him later, I don't see there's a problem here. If course, if Alpha DOES get stiffed, then he'll still have learned something. Or that they end up breaking the first time they're used, and he ends up on the wrong end of a lawsuit.
Quite a few of the tuners I've met have had a "golden customer" come along with a big wad of money, racked up huge bills, and basically ended up giving them a "golden shower" instead. Hopefully, this isn't one of those cases, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope there. |
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| Twystd1 |
Feb 9 2006, 10:42 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
Alpha,
I am at my machinist friends shop right now. He suggesesd looking at SAE papers for your specific alloy of Ti. On which specific coating would be the best for your application. By the way... Nice start on your rods and cap... Giterdone. Another question I asked my machinist friend is: What would happen if I machined a rod out of billet Ti. NOT a forging.?? He said: Depending on the alloy. If the rod was seeing 50 - 100 HP per rod on a basic street strip engine. NA or boosted AND NOT an endurance motor. You CAN probably get away with a billet rod with the appropriate coatings. NOT a forging.. Again... it depends on the alloy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTE: SAE books have the Ti quality's and breakdowns that you may need for future work as well as any metals that you may happen upon. Keep in mind. This is just one guys opinions. I am going to contact a friend of Bill Miller's (Guru Engine Guy) next week and see what he can find out. Miller makes Ti rods for many racers as well as aluminum rods. He should know something that can be of some help. LaterZzzzzz By the way Alpha. You are a pain in the ass... AND you have the balls to try something. Dude..you make me smile.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I haven't seen the non-club this pissy since since the last young guy came here asking alot of questions.. I love this shit... keep up the work.. Twystd1 |
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| alpha434 |
Feb 10 2006, 01:45 AM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Damn. What is wrong with you guys?!? I'm doing this for Al Lager. See the banner? I've worked for him for almost four years now. No golden showers.
The 356 engines we play with can get past 8000rpms but you can't hold it there. Just to get a downshift and then bring it down. Or to hold on just a little bit longer into a turn. I'm getting the first set for my "engine #9" prototype. And the next set will go to a 356 for immediate testing for further developement. And I see 914club as open information sharing. Screw anyone who wants to think that it would be fun or funny to with hold information pertient to a project in need of help. Nothing in this stage of rod design is a secret. Every thing I've shown is used all over the place in rod design. Even the funny circular locators. I made another piece with all the secret features machined in to it. And I would happily post pictures of it, except you guys would hassle me for another 3 pages before I got one page of usable input. And I tracked down some "radial grain" billet. Hehe. Could be better than forged. We'll see. Alloy is Ti alpha/beta type 23. I can't remember the exact nomeclature for Ti. Its a lot different from steel or aluminum. But if you search for alloy type 23, youll find info on it, for all those interested. Thank god someone like twysted is out there and actually WANTS to see something move forward. Without people like him, 904 gauges NEVER get made. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif) |
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| MattR |
Feb 10 2006, 01:59 AM
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| alpha434 |
Feb 10 2006, 02:01 AM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Haha. And Matt. He's definately NOT a douchebag. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| MattR |
Feb 10 2006, 02:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
Nah, I'm a douchebag. I'll be the first to admit it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| Twystd1 |
Feb 10 2006, 04:26 AM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
Alpha...
Ya can't bag on MattR.. he knows me Oh too well. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) And the little shit knows I am a douchebag... At times... And Matt..... (IMG:http://www2.lut.fi/~junousia/hymiot/psysuigif1dg.gif) (IMG:http://www.p2pforum.it/forum/images/smilies/showpic2ck.gif) I found your Your TI Specs By the way... What else are you nuts working on over there?? OH... And speaking of gauges... HHHmmmmm What about those 904 gauges??? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) What kind of bolts and what size are you going to use for the rods? AND.. Are you going to use german bearings or set it up for American made steel backed HiPo bearings? Maybe even coated bearings? YES!! Let us know whats up on your progress. And watch out for MattR.. The little fuccer sneaks up on ya after a while. AND: Have I told you: You are a pain in the ass................ Lately??? Cheers, Twystd1 Giterdone ..... (IMG:http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/aliens/borg_assimilation_faces.gif) |
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| Twystd1 |
Feb 10 2006, 04:55 AM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
By the way,
I was chatting with some of the 356 contingent down here in SoCal. They know your boss. And you are right.. In the 356 world.. he is very well respected. And yup he was with Mark Donahue and a young Penski and all those guys back in the day. He sounds like a very interesting fellow. If I come up your way... I'll let ya buy me lunch.... With your boss..!! Twystd1 |
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 10 2006, 10:38 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
proceed with caution (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif)
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| alpha434 |
 Feb 10 2006, 01:42 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Damn right. Al can make a 911 eat 356 brake dust. I get all of my scariest ideas directly from him. This Ti jobbers' been on the chopping block for a while. Need to start knocking down projects for this season. I'd be happy to buy you lunch. I'll make Al sit through it. |
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| TimT |
Feb 10 2006, 08:19 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
Pankl Ti, Pauter, Stock
The Pankl rod is a consumable, according to PMNA, 40 hours out and into the scrap pile... Ive had some pretty knowledgable engine builders, metalurgists, material scientists tell me that the Pankl rod is just that, a consumable.. the big end needs beefing up.... Attached image(s) 
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| TimT |
Feb 10 2006, 08:20 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
we all need a left hand monkey wrench
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Feb 10 2006, 08:23 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
This is the "parting line" of the coating... after machining the rods are hung from the small end, and dipped...
The coating Pankl uses on the rods is proprietary.. they use it on rods they make.. its not sold to outside vendors Attached image(s) 
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