Ol' Yeller's gone now, look at Ol' Blue!, '74 Olympic Blue Options

[BigDBass]

QUOTE (lotus_65 @ Mar 22 2006, 06:19 AM)

looks really clean, was there something wrong with that car? i guess i just wonder about cutting a nice specimin as opposed to finding a marginal one to chop and gut.

What we in the midwest would consider a nice specimen (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) often seems to be a chop-up candidate (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) to our Californian friends! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[lotus_65]

QUOTE (BigDBass @ Mar 22 2006, 09:10 AM)

QUOTE (lotus_65 @ Mar 22 2006, 06:19 AM) looks really clean, was there something wrong with that car? i guess i just wonder about cutting a nice specimin as opposed to finding a marginal one to chop and gut. What we in the midwest would consider a nice specimen (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) often seems to be a chop-up candidate (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) to our Californian friends! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Oh, definitely. I'm for SURE goin' to cali for my next car!

What does a car like that set you back, carreraguy?

[nomore9one4]

That project is moving right along. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap56.gif) Probably (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) very soon.

[carreraguy]

QUOTE (lotus_65 @ Mar 22 2006, 06:59 AM)

QUOTE (lotus_65 @ Mar 22 2006, 06:19 AM) looks really clean, was there something wrong with that car? i guess i just wonder about cutting a nice specimin as opposed to finding a marginal one to chop and gut. What does a car like that set you back, carreraguy?

Nothing wrong with the car for sure. My ideal donor candidate going in was a rust free, no accident, good tranny, decent interior, nice paint car. (Not asking a lot right?). Luckily I was able to find it; a very clean, two owner AZ/NV 83K mile car. If I went for a beater for the swap it would have cost way more in the long run for obvious reasons. I was looking for months but for some reason all the likekly candidates (and many not as nice as I found) were being snapped up almost immediately. I'll admit, I did have some hesitation re: cutting up a nice car but considering the cost involved, I wanted to start with an issue-free platform and thats what it took (and I did pay a premium for that).

As far as cost, check out the Renegade site - it'll give you an idea.

[lotus_65]

yea, i see the delema with rust repair/paint issues/etc. when doing work like this. the additional labor would impact the cost of the project. i thought about that after i posted, and the cost vs devaluation ratio is a personal decision, which we can disagree on. all the same, good luck with the project! i hope it works out really great.

btw, i didn't want to know what it'll cost you in the end (i hope i have more class than that)! i was more interested in the local cost of the 2.0 that you're using as a donor, but you don't have to say.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) good times~

[carreraguy]

Lotus:
Sorry - I misinterpreted "a car like this" as referring to the final finished product.

As to the purchase price of the donor, suffice to say I paid over market value for a very nice '74 2.0. I'll gladly defer to other experts who buy and sell teeners more often than me, but to my mind a car like this should go for around $6-7K tops (in CA anyway). What do you think I should have paid for it? The beauty of it was that it was local to Renegade (no shipping cost) and I will be able to recoup some $$ for the original 2.0 engine, Gotti wheels and center console.

Thanks for your good wishes - will post more pics as they come. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Later

[Mueller]

looks really clean, was there something wrong with that car? i guess i just wonder about cutting a nice specimin as opposed to finding a marginal one to chop and gut.

can you please explain the "chop and gut"???

why is it so acceptable to cut the front trunk on an aircooled /4 or /6 to install a bigger oil cooler?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

it's a reversable modification if one so desires.....

Nice to see progress Tom (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

Have you had to sign any legal documents from Scott saying that you will not let anyone look at or take pictures of the engine mount/special brackets?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[carreraguy]

[quote=Mueller,Mar 22 2006, 08:45 PM] [/QUOTE]
Have you had to sign any legal documents from Scott saying that you will not let anyone look at or take pictures of the engine mount/special brackets?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) [/quote]
Not yet Mike; I expect the competition is pretty tight so I wouldn't be too surprised if I got that request eventually. Unless they request otherwise, I assume any pics I get from them are okay to distribute to the public; after all, it is good publicity for the righteous dudes at Renegade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[DanT]

This is looking very nice Tom.

Nice starter chassis. You bought it....do what you want with it. The midwesterners and east coasters are just a wee bit envious. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[lotus_65]

QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Mar 23 2006, 01:14 AM)

This is looking very nice Tom. Nice starter chassis.  You bought it....do what you want with it.  The midwesterners and east coasters are just a wee bit envious. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

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you got it toyota! it's a rusty brownish color of green i am. not just for the cars, but about now this cold and snow starts really getting old... i'll shut up before i get in anymore trouble!
rock on

[grantsfo]

Nice car! Looks like the perfect chassis to start a project.

Here is its 1.8 twin that I used as a starter chassis for my race car project. Car had 38,000 original miles when I bought mine - all original paint, interior etc. I drove it for 3-4 years in stock condition, then started to tear it apart.

(IMG:http://home.earthlink.net/~drzoey/914y.jpg)

It had original carpets and coco mats too.


(IMG:http://home.earthlink.net/~drzoey/914i.jpg)

[carreraguy]

People asked for more pics when available - attached are some new pics of the conversion. Coming together at Renegade; they fired up the engine yesterday - purred like a lion. Can't wait to get my paws on this one. Hopefully it will be ready time for WCC06!

[cbenitah]

People asked for more pics when available - attached are some new pics of the conversion. Coming together at Renegade; they fired up the engine yesterday - purred like a lion. Can't wait to get my paws on this one. Hopefully it will be ready time for WCC06!

would you mind sharing the price tag for letting renegade do the conversion? I have tried to search for it and when I emailed they said $20K which I think is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)
Thanks

Looking great!

[carreraguy]

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would you mind sharing the price tag for letting renegade do the conversion? I have tried to search for it and when I emailed they said $20K which I think is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)
Thanks

Looking great!
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Thanks! The price they quoted is indeed in the ballpark - why would they tell you otherwise?

You may call it BS but it penciled out for me. I wanted a 914 with more horsepower, thus I was looking for a 914/6 or a 914/6 conversion. A 914/6 in good condition with a 30 year old engine would cost a minimum of $20K and still have some issues. A 914/6 conversion with 260HP (what I can get from the 2.0 WRX turbo) would cost about $35K complete turn key with a brake/handling upgrade and the weight difference would be about 150 pounds heavier. So, I would need another 75 hp (approx) to overcome the additional weight and match the straight line acceleration. Add another $5K to the final bill for the needed bump in hp, so then you're up to $40K. Then, because you wouldn't corner as well due to the extra weight, you would need to add another $5K to get more hp out of the Porsche motor to overcome the slower cornering speed. So then you are up to $45,000.

Bottom line, I'm getting a lighter, better handlling car whose performance will be better than a 914/6 with a very reliable and more modern powerplant; i.e. I will not be relying on a 30 year old engine that will likely cause more maintenance $$ downstream. On top of all that I'll get better mileage! Granted I'm loosing the panache of having a "pure" 914 but I'm not planning on doing PCA events for points; i.e. "fun runs" only at the autox, that s fine with me. I'll just have a NARP that'll be NARPier than yours - a double NARP!

Should have 914AROO by mid-June; we can compare notes at the WCC! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[carreraguy]

Just back from a visit to the "work in progress" at Renegade Hybrids; all I can say is WOW! Gobs of torque; approx 240-250hp according to Dana at Renegade! Driving position with the smaller Momo wheel and billet steering wheel hub/adapter is great! I freely admit this will take some practice on my part but I'm definitely looking forward to taming the beast; obviously, throttle/brake control when unbalanced will be key. I only got it up to 4th gear since we're still breaking it in. Will also take some adjustment on my part to get used to the clutch and shifter/tranny feel - way different than Ol 'Yeller! Attached are some new pics; note the differences from the first few pics in this thread. Still trying to get it all done in time for WCC but no firm committment possible at this stage.

[So.Cal.914]

Nice ride. It does look like a slick install, if I was not such a hard core, bust my

knuckles on German metal, drop all rice burners into the camen trench kind of guy,

I would probably do the same thing. Have fun and stay safe.

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[96conv]

Can't wait to see the install in person. Looks great!

[grantsfo]

[quote name='carreraguy' date='May 17 2006, 12:33 AM' post='681361']
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would you mind sharing the price tag for letting renegade do the conversion? I have tried to search for it and when I emailed they said $20K which I think is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)
Thanks

Looking great!
[/quote]

Thanks! The price they quoted is indeed in the ballpark - why would they tell you otherwise?

You may call it BS but it penciled out for me. I wanted a 914 with more horsepower, thus I was looking for a 914/6 or a 914/6 conversion. A 914/6 in good condition with a 30 year old engine would cost a minimum of $20K and still have some issues. A 914/6 conversion with 260HP (what I can get from the 2.0 WRX turbo) would cost about $35K complete turn key with a brake/handling upgrade and the weight difference would be about 150 pounds heavier. So, I would need another 75 hp (approx) to overcome the additional weight and match the straight line acceleration. Add another $5K to the final bill for the needed bump in hp, so then you're up to $40K. Then, because you wouldn't corner as well due to the extra weight, you would need to add another $5K to get more hp out of the Porsche motor to overcome the slower cornering speed. So then you are up to $45,000.

Bottom line, I'm getting a lighter, better handlling car whose performance will be better than a 914/6 with a very reliable and more modern powerplant; i.e. I will not be relying on a 30 year old engine that will likely cause more maintenance $$ downstream. On top of all that I'll get better mileage! Granted I'm loosing the panache of having a "pure" 914 but I'm not planning on doing PCA events for points; i.e. "fun runs" only at the autox, that s fine with me. I'll just have a NARP that'll be NARPier than yours - a double NARP!

Should have 914AROO by mid-June; we can compare notes at the WCC! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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Great work looks very nice. I am curious about weight advantage over six. When you factor in intercooler, turbo plumbing, radiator plumbing and water, conversion plate does the subaru engine conversion beat six weight by 150 lbs?

[carreraguy]

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Great work looks very nice. I am curious about weight advantage over six. When you factor in intercooler, turbo plumbing, radiator plumbing and water, conversion plate does the subaru engine conversion beat six weight by 150 lbs?
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Good question and I had those thoughts too early on when I was loking at the Porsche 6 conversion route. A lot of it has to do with assumptions. Comparing a Subaru 2.0 liter WRX turbo (2.0T) engine ONLY to a Porsche 914 2.0 engine ONLY, the 2.0T engine is around 10 lbs lighter. Comparing an installed Porsche 6 conversion (with 12 quarts of oil) to an installed 2.0T with all the plumbing/intercooler/water, the 2.0T is still about 60-70 lbs lighter. So you are correct, the 150 lb figure can be somewhat misleading once you factor in all the associated components. The main point I was trying to make is that a 2.0T conversion is lighter than a Porsche 6 conversion and it would cost even more $$ to try to modify the Porsche engine to attempt to regain the HP lost due to that 60-70 lb weight difference. Additonally, from a handling/weight & balance viewpoint, the Subie engine is a little farther forward than the Porsche engine and that can only help. I am reasonably sure there are those who would disclaim some points I made re: setup etc., but bottom line, its "whatever floats your boat" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[majkos]

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Keep up the good work,I love the WRX!