Anyone seen the new Exellence?, Cool! Options

[rick 918-S]

Nice work boys. 928 and 914 does it get any better? Cool glass top 911... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[jr91472]

yep.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

Nice 912 article too. I liked the statement about beating the "914 contingent" during his first a/x. Nice to hear someone "brag" about beating a 914.

[jim912928]

yep..got mine thursday...nice writeup on the 928 engine!

[J P Stein]

Yes. I read Pete's Op ed piece as to why new Porsche's cars have become overweight pigs (IMO, not his). Apparently, we
throwbacks to a simpler time don't enter into the "customer expectations" data base. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

If Porsche made a 2500 lb, 250 hp sports car, I prolly couldn't afford it anyhow.....but I could, at least, lust for it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[Tobra]

IF they made a car like that, they would sell all they could possibly make.

[rick 918-S]

QUOTE (Tobra @ Mar 18 2006, 07:12 AM)

IF they made a car like that, they would sell all they could possibly make.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif)

have to be Mittle motor (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

[KaptKaos]

QUOTE (Tobra @ Mar 18 2006, 07:12 AM)

IF they made a car like that, they would sell all they could possibly make.

Unfortunately, I disagree.

I don't think the Elise is going to sell all that many cars and that would be the closest thing out there today to an "elemental" car.

[ABC914]

QUOTE

IF they made a car like that, they would sell all they could possibly make.

You mean like this? (Except fewer than 2500 pounds!)
(IMG:http://www.abc-digital-art.com/Porsche/images/8-2005.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[Eddie Williams]

You see, by the time you add all the air bags and electronics and sound proofing, no car can be that light. The consumer (and gov't regulation) demands cars that are heavy, ergo not feul efficient. The days of elemental cars is gone. we throwback types are the last of a breed. Besides we all probably drive "safe" sedans and suvs as our daily drivers.

[rick 918-S]

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Mar 18 2006, 08:03 AM)

QUOTE (Tobra @ Mar 18 2006, 07:12 AM) IF they made a car like that, they would sell all they could possibly make. Unfortunately, I disagree. I don't think the Elise is going to sell all that many cars and that would be the closest thing out there today to an "elemental" car.

I can't agree, A british car company with a novelity enthusist following, against a well established Germany sports car company with a huge market share as sports car go.

Then look at the thing. Sorry to anyone who has one but they are goofy looking. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) They look like cheap rice inspired boy toy's. Not a muscular, snarly, Autobahn giant killer. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif) Sorry, I don't get the attraction. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

If they made the car pictured in the Motor Trend article floating around here, They would sell them bad boys. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

Man am I going to get flamed for this one.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

[Howard]

Soap Box..

Different strokes. I don't want a bahnburner. The fun of the supercars is driving them at superlegal speeds. Enzo/penis size jokes aside, why?

I got into Porsches when they built under 1800# street cars and under 1200# race cars that were cheaper and whipped the big iron in the 50's and 60's. A 63 Super 90 could hide from a 63 Ferrari on Mulholland; an RSK could stay with or beat Testa Rossa on most tracks. Now that's my idea of fun.

The closest thing we have today is the Miata. The Soltice/Sky/Opel weigh more, and will overcome the performance issue with more HP and weight. So here we go agin.

Sure, there's the Lotus, but twice the price with a Toyota engine?. The Boxster is more than twice the price and a bit portly at 2800#. A great car to be sure, but I would rather have it weigh less, offer fewer amenities, and I don't need the opportunity to get into 150+mph trouble.

Could Porsche go to the the parts bin and build a 2200#, 200hp, under 30K? Sure, but why? That will only happen when the US market balks at paying the big $$ entry fee. That's what spawned the 55 Speedster ($2995)and the 70 914 ($3995).

A 914/4 is about the last affordable version of a 'real' sports car. 95hp and 1900# is a nice combo for the recreational driving I do. Adding HP would require improvments to suspension and brakes, and pretty soon you lose that 'lovin feeling'.

Rick, I love your car, and if I were going to drive a 914 across country yours would be the one to use. But that's what the Infiniti is for (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

[sixnotfour]

QUOTE

Could Porsche go to the the parts bin and build a 2200#, 200hp, under 30K? Sure, but why? That will only happen when the US market balks at paying the big $$ entry fee. That's what spawned the 55 Speedster ($2995)and the 70 914 ($3995).

Great piont Howard, speedsters were entry level cars that worked great as racers for the same reason.
my Dads 58 speedster bought in 67 , mint 1600.00
914-6's were expensive at 6900.00

I dont have my Excellence yet (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

[lapuwali]

The Elise is rather TOO elemental for most people, but it also only weighs 1900lbs. 600lbs of more engine and sound deadening and other creature comforts would likely sell much better than the Elise. For the price they'd charge, it would have to be a real car, not a toy.

I have a hard time understanding why they couldn't make a Cayman-like car weigh 2500-ish pounds. A Club Cayman or Cayman RS. I'm sure there's a market for a few thousand of those, at least.

[rick 918-S]

Thanks Howy, Coming from you I can respect the thoughts and words. After all, your speaking from experience having owned and driven Moby.

I love the 914 for it's simplicity and basic no frills layout. But the American Muscle Hotrodder in me needs that rumble and feeling of shear terror you get when you mash the throttle. I like to feel like I could put my life at risk at any moment in the apex of a corner. Suicidal? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) Nay, (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) I'm a car guy, not a Porsche guy. I'm and artist, Body shop guy, engine builder, drag racer, and a self proclaimed reverse engineer. I can't leave anything alone. I have a compultion to phuts with it.

I built my 914 before I ever drove one. I literally finished the car and had never driven it. I love the waty it looks like it's going 100 mph sitting in the parking lot. I looked at the car I built for a year. I drove it around for two summers with the 4 cylinder. The third summer I abandoned it in the yard. If it weren't for Pelican, and then this board I would have moved on.

After some serious consideration I felt the compultion to take my car in a direction "I" felt Porsche should have gone. They built an awsome 6 version as a ground floor entry level euro hot rod. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) Then just as fast as they seemed to get it, they seemed to "not get it." (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) When the 914 shells dried up, they forget all about sales numbers and moved in another direction.

It's seemed a logical direction to move the 928 V8 into one of the best chassis designs they ever had. Hence the Alien was born.

Now I wasn't looking to add all the crap that Porsche decided to add the the 928 like a game of pin the tail on the donkey. I wanted the euro/ american version of the Route "66" Corvette. All Porsche, All Power, 2 seats, no frills, No creature comforts.

Where am I going with all this rambling? I guess the point I'm trying to make is, I can't be the last boy scout. The last guy wanting more and less at the same time. A light wieght, no frills, powerhouse, capable of up grades. A stylish, adult sports car without all the weird styling accents cut into the car for no real reason.

If Porsche built such a car I would probably still mess with it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) Ya, it's a sickness.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)

[rick 918-S]

Man I hijacked my own thread... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)

[Howard]

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Mar 18 2006, 11:54 AM)

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, I can't be the last boy scout. The last guy wanting more and less at the same time. A light weight, no frills, powerhouse, capable of up grades. A stylish, adult sports car without all the weird styling accents cut into the car for no real reason.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Preachin' to the choir, here. How did they manage to F up the BMW Z and Cayman with all the little body 'tricks'? The new Miata is getting a bit 'bulgy' too.

I obviously like V8's too, and the light weight no frills really appeals to my David v Goliath cheapo mind set. But how big of a market is there for this kind of car? Toyota could build a lower tech 'Elise', sell it for $20k, but would never sell enough to matter.

Nope, I think we're stuck with 914's or limited production kit cars for our fix.

[J P Stein]

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Mar 18 2006, 11:58 AM)

Man I hijacked my own thread... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)

Yes you did.....but skillfully (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
We'll be OK if Jake don't come over and make it an infomertial.

I really had to laugh when Porsche kept comparing the 550 Spyder to the Boxster. Their pics & vids were VERY careful to not place the 2 close together. That would have shown how huge the Box is in comparison. Shrink the box by a 10-20% (but leave the power) and you'd have something.

[sean_v8_914]

Rick, I think you car is the cat's meow. there is an early 928 in a barn round here. I think i can pick it up for a nickel. teh engine is fresh but teh FI has issues. I do not fear FI issues. you are a bad seed planted in my brain that just might start to grow. I need to review the PCA rule book. my V8 car sits abandoned because it is hard to find a venue to race it in. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/hijacked.gif)
what was this thread about?

[sean_v8_914]

Rick, go back and park your Alien the other way

[turboman808]

If the other manufacturers are paying attention to the elise and exige we should start to see some really fast and inexpensive sports cars. And hell if people would just quit buying these over priced pigs they would make the car ya all want.

Personaly only porsche that ever interested me was the 914. All the rest are ugly IMO. But I also think most ferraris and lambos are ugly was well so I may be alone on this. Pantera or Exige will be my next purchases.

With all the interest with the 914/wrx I would love for subaru to build a car like that. To bad Toyota didn't put the GTS motor in the mr2. what the heck were they thinking??? They would have sold like mad!?!?!?