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| loux951 |
 Jan 6 2008, 06:55 PM
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NOLA 914  Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 30-May 03 From: New Orleans, LA Member No.: 758 Region Association: South East States  |
I don't have a scanner at the house but I found this link to look at the car. Its not "AutoHaus"...that was my mistake. It is the ZeitHaus at the AutoStadt. I did go the museum that Andy listed above right before the ZeitHaus, but it was closing for the day. I was upset because that is where I thought a 914 would be. We were vectored to the ZeitHaus which was still open since we drove the long distance and wanted to tour a car museum. Turns out I hit the jackpot!
The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...ADBS_en___US236 As for my car, the VIN is 4702901167, so #1167. So, I guess the answer to the orginal question is Volkswagen AG has the oldest 914... |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
 Jan 6 2008, 11:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
From the link: "Made was the car of 1969-1975...." Gawd, I miss that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_flagge6.gif)
Anyhow, back on topic.....Maj Tom, thanks for the linky to that museum (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) Didja get the VIN on that red 914 ? In addition to the past few responses, we'd like to humbly request that Loux951 (Tom), morph (James), and keske 968 add their repective VINs, color codes and chassis # to the 914 Info compilation that appears at the top, right side of the Forum page. We appreciate it, as we are trying to account for as many 914s as we possibly can. Thanks! Paul |
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| EdwardBlume |
Jan 6 2008, 11:40 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California 
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Thanks Tom. That car is awesome!
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| loux951 |
Jan 7 2008, 01:59 PM
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NOLA 914 Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 30-May 03 From: New Orleans, LA Member No.: 758 Region Association: South East States |
No problem, glad I could share that with the club. Unfortunately, I visited the ZeitHaus and saw this car almost 6 years ago in March 2002 when I was just starting my 914 craze...I didn't get the VIN number. Do we have a club member that lives in North/Central Germany that can go get it? Or maybe we can email someone at the ZeitHaus to take a picture of the VIN and other identification markings and send them to the club... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
The car looks red in the pictures on the website, but it is actually orange. I have no idea if that is the original color...the info from the ZeitHaus can answer that. I posted my car VIN on the the VIN site for the club. I need to get the other info from my car. I will also post the VIN of the parts car I junked, all the info of the one I'm about to junk, and the VIN of the one that was junked when I got the car in 2000. |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 7 2008, 02:55 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,694 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(loux951 @ Jan 6 2008, 04:55 PM)  The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line. that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1146541745.jpg) |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Jan 7 2008, 03:28 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 7 2008, 12:55 PM) QUOTE(loux951 @ Jan 6 2008, 04:55 PM) The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line. that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1146541745.jpg) What appears to be the same car (and photo) also shows up in Brian Long's book Porsche 914 914-6. Methinks that items like wheels, the dashtop (where's the center vent?), Porsche crest and gawd knows what else, might have been changed or "improved". These pictures bear some resemblence to the car shown below, described as a "prototype" 914. Attached image(s) 
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| davep |
Jan 7 2008, 04:00 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,161 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 7 2008, 12:55 PM) that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ??? I agree that it is likely the same car. Same color (Tangerine?), trim, rims, fog light grilles. Now we need to know the VIN. Who can find out? Tom, when you looked at the engine, did it have FI or carbs. I know one very early car had carbs. |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jan 7 2008, 04:23 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,560 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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If its the above two cars that are being compared, I think they are not the same vehicle. Driver side mirrors, interior color, windshield chrome trim are all different. I doubt a museum would change anything at all on a display vehicle, much less to this extent.
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jan 7 2008, 01:28 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 7 2008, 12:55 PM) QUOTE(loux951 @ Jan 6 2008, 04:55 PM) The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line. that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1146541745.jpg) What appears to be the same car (and photo) also shows up in Brian Long's book Porsche 914 914-6. Methinks that items like wheels, the dashtop (where's the center vent?), Porsche crest and gawd knows what else, might have been changed or "improved". These pictures bear some resemblence to the car shown below, described as a "prototype" 914. |
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| davep |
Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,161 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jan 7 2008, 02:23 PM) If its the above two cars that are being compared, I think they are not the same vehicle. Driver side mirrors, interior color, windshield chrome trim are all different. I doubt a museum would change anything at all on a display vehicle, much less to this extent. I think the ones we are comparing are the color photos of W0B-CD 555 from DGVWPB and this one at the museum: Attached image(s) 
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| loux951 |
Jan 8 2008, 09:42 AM
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NOLA 914 Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 30-May 03 From: New Orleans, LA Member No.: 758 Region Association: South East States |
I don't remember if the car had FI or carbs. I do remember being significantly disappointed in the quality of the restoration in the engine compartment. It looked bad... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) like a restoration was never attempted. It gave me the immediate impression that it was a poor restoration focused only for appearance in the ZeitHaus. That lends credibility to the theory that the car may have been "upgraded" for looks with the later steel wheels, no dash vent, hood crest, etc. I think I even noticed the porsche crest on the steering wheel. Didn't VW-Porsche 914s for Europe have the VW crest on the wheel?
Key to this dilemma is getting the numbers off the car. I am going to try and find an email address to someone at the ZeitHaus. Andy, I may need some help with translation if I find one. I'll PM you if that is the case. Thanks. I want to get some digital pics of the vehicle numbers... |
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| Mhead |
Jan 8 2008, 10:27 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 3-December 06 From: Ma Member No.: 7,302 |
QUOTE(Mhead @ Dec 10 2006, 06:25 AM) New member here...just looked up the VIN on one of my 70 914s...4702900544. Where does this one stand in your record? Did anyone figure out where this car fits in the age base...I recall it had a mid 1969 build date on the door jam...got it stored away so i'll have to get to it to verifiy what month it was built in...BTW..it's a 4 with less than 22k orginal miles on it...still has the orginal Michelin skinny X's |
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| davep |
Jan 8 2008, 10:44 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,161 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
It should be 11/69 production.
I do need full info on this car and any 914 you have access to. Please email it to me with photos when possible. |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Jan 8 2008, 10:46 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
"M",
That VIN would place your car as the 3rd oldest /4 in our 914 listing. Please add the VIN to the 914 Info page that can be found at the top, right heading of the Forum pages. Also add the color (and code) and chassis # (both found on the Karmann plate on the driver's side door jamb) if you can. The build date, on the trailing edge of the same door jamb, would be useful information as well. An early car like yours is very intriguing, and I'm sure I speak not only for myself, but others as well, when I say I'd really like to see pictures of this car, with detail photos showing the trunks, engine compartment and interior. Paul |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Jan 8 2008, 11:22 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
QUOTE(loux951 @ Jan 8 2008, 07:42 AM) I do remember being significantly disappointed in the quality of the restoration in the engine compartment. It looked bad... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) like a restoration was never attempted. It gave me the immediate impression that it was a poor restoration focused only for appearance in the ZeitHaus. ..... the later steel wheels, no dash vent, hood crest, etc. I think I even noticed the porsche crest on the steering wheel. Didn't VW-Porsche 914s for Europe have the VW crest on the wheel? Assumed low production # aside, I'm beginning to question the original, authentic presentation of this 914. In addition to the above mentioned anomalies, I've not ever seen body-colored fog light grills, except when they became black later in the production cycle, and thus would match a black car. Paul |
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| davep |
Jan 8 2008, 11:35 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,161 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
They also say it is a water-cooled 4 cylinder boxer motor. NOT!
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| Mhead |
Jan 8 2008, 12:56 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 3-December 06 From: Ma Member No.: 7,302 |
QUOTE(davep @ Jan 8 2008, 08:44 AM) It should be 11/69 production. I do need full info on this car and any 914 you have access to. Please email it to me with photos when possible. |
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| davep |
Jan 9 2008, 12:52 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,161 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
Got an email from Rene in Switzerland, he got the museum webmaster to correct the watercooling goof. Now to wait to find out if more info can be obtained from the museum; VIN etc...
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| Gustl |
Jan 16 2008, 03:37 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,534 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria  |
currently there's a guy who sells official german documents from the following car
I mailed him a question about more infos and that's what I got: 47.0.29.00387 signal orange 2 times tranny exchange and 3 times D-Jet brain exchange until December 1976 (!!!) this one ended up as a parts car in the 70ies ... 1st registration on November 25th, 1969 - Berlin, Germany eBay #180207324728 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Gustl |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Jan 16 2008, 04:44 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
QUOTE(Gustl @ Jan 16 2008, 01:37 PM) currently there's a guy who sells official german documents from the following car I mailed him a question about more infos and that's what I got: 47.0.29.00387 signal orange 2 times tranny exchange and 3 times D-Jet brain exchange until December 1976 (!!!) this one ended up as a parts car in the 70ies ... 1st registration on November 25th, 1969 - Berlin, Germany eBay #180207324728 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Gustl Are you saying 4702900387 no longer exists, except as that German spec document shown on eBay? Paul |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 16 2008, 05:29 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,694 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jan 16 2008, 02:44 PM) Are you saying 4702900387 no longer exists, except as that German spec document shown on eBay? yes ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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