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| McMark |
 Apr 24 2006, 04:19 PM
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914 Freak!  Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None  |
Post the new pics please.
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| SirAndy |
Apr 24 2006, 04:21 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,712 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(john rogers @ Apr 24 2006, 02:31 PM)  I read the posts through several times and am still confused? Is this the early mount that uses the 4 cylinder mount ears or the later one that bolts to the bulkhead? about 5 post up from your post: "trekkor has the mount bar that uses the stock /4 motor mount points" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Andy |
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| jhadler |
Apr 24 2006, 04:22 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
<best aussie accent> Good on ya mate!!
I think Jim is pretty on there. If the mount failed that badly, what other welds and/or materials are also suspect? Yeah, that sucker's got to go. It's done. Seein' as you were gonna have to pull the motor to repair it anyway, might as well put a new mount in properly. After reading Andy's eye-witness account of a total failure, I'd pay for the peace of mind. Kindof like a friend of mine's comment about buying single layer nomex/proban driving suits. "The first time you see someone on fire, that three layer nomex suit gets REALLY affordable REALLY quickly...". -Josh2 |
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| Trekkor |
Apr 24 2006, 04:30 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
The pics are nothing special.
he wanted to make sure the the bar at it's lowest points, under the stock mount location, didn't strike something. That's the only explanation of such a failure he could think of. There are some light scratches on there, prolly from the install in my driveway. KT |
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| TimT |
Apr 24 2006, 04:31 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
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| DanT |
Apr 24 2006, 04:32 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
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| Trekkor |
Apr 24 2006, 04:36 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
the pic.
Not mount failure. Bar hitting something hard enough to rip it from the mount plate. I would have remembered that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) KT Attached image(s) 
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| nine14cats |
Apr 24 2006, 04:42 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Trekkor,
I've always had great dealings with Jim Patrick on his products. I hope things turn out for you okay. I really think you should go for his wallmount bar. But it's just my opinion. Bill P. |
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| Trekkor |
Apr 24 2006, 04:50 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
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| LvSteveH |
Apr 24 2006, 04:51 PM
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I put the Poor in Porsche Group: Members Posts: 1,080 Joined: 22-April 03 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 600 |
No offense, but there is no need for any other pictures. That is a manufacturing failure, pure and simple. Even if you hit something, and bent the bar in two, it should never have separated like that........... never. If the weld tore away at the heat affected zone, then you've reached the limit of your materials and you'd see that very clearly. That point of failure would be many times that ever experienced in actual use.
I wonder who PMS has doing their assembly, because they have some "esplainin" to do. |
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| brant |
Apr 24 2006, 04:54 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,645 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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QUOTE(john rogers @ Apr 24 2006, 01:03 PM) Did both sides rip loose. That is the first one of his new ones I have seem fail as a lot of the vintage racers are using them and no failures so far. Just for clarification this is not the new style. I haven't read through the whole thread yet so this may already be clear. but for those that aren't in the know |
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| Randal |
Apr 24 2006, 05:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
QUOTE(trekkor @ Apr 24 2006, 02:12 PM) That would have been "a problem". "Alameda, we have a problem". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) I'm thinking about working on it NOW, as it is just hanging there on the trailer. KT Right, and when you get it off the trailer, that (trailer box), needs to get painted to match your car, stripes and all!!! Now that would be cool |
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| Randal |
Apr 24 2006, 05:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Apr 24 2006, 03:32 PM) Yea, and at Alameda, The Marina and or Stead you only have to go 20 or 25 feet till you hit the next divider (between the concrete slabs). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
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| Trekkor |
Apr 24 2006, 05:15 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
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| BKLA |
Apr 24 2006, 05:23 PM
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Really old member Group: Members Posts: 1,253 Joined: 14-August 05 From: OR Member No.: 4,590 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Holy SH*T!
My newly purchased conversion has the PMS has the quick six mount (not the bulkhead mount). I am going to jack it up tonight and check it out! Man o Man! |
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| Mueller |
Apr 24 2006, 05:28 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(repro914gt @ Apr 24 2006, 04:23 PM) Holy SH*T! My newly purchased conversion has the PMS has the quick six mount (not the bulkhead mount). I am going to jack it up tonight and check it out! Man o Man! Rumor is that as part of the Correction Action Report, all customers that currently own the old style engine mount will be supplied with the following item to keep motor off of pavement in case of mount failure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Available at Home Depot if you cannot find your original reciept.....  |
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| Trekkor |
Apr 24 2006, 05:33 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
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| brant |
Apr 24 2006, 05:43 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,645 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Apr 24 2006, 04:28 PM) QUOTE(repro914gt @ Apr 24 2006, 04:23 PM) Holy SH*T! My newly purchased conversion has the PMS has the quick six mount (not the bulkhead mount). I am going to jack it up tonight and check it out! Man o Man! Rumor is that as part of the Correction Action Report, all customers that currently own the old style engine mount will be supplied with the following item to keep motor off of pavement in case of mount failure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Available at Home Depot if you cannot find your original reciept..... Funny man... ferg and I went up a couple of weeks ago to pick up a yellow car that had a broken 4cylinder motor bar AND broken tranny ears. Apparently a tow company had at one time moved the car and perhaps tied down to the motor bar... The tow company claimed no responsibility, but the motor and tranny were being held off the ground only by a few wires, cables, and shift linkage. We used those same homedepot straps to hold the motor and also hold the tranny up off the ground high enough to make it a roller again. then let a different tow company flat bed it. brant |
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| Trekkor |
Apr 24 2006, 06:05 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I just want a reliable mount.
Jim wants me to send him my broken one ASAP so we can work out a deal that will allow me to run the next a/x in two weeks. He has a lot of experience, I can see that. I don't want to slam anybody. If a new bar mount will work, I'm happy. KT Attached image(s) 
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| nine14cats |
Apr 24 2006, 06:14 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Hi Trekkor,
Send Jim your mount. At the very least he can work with manufacturing on the failure analysis. I'd still go wall mount if you can wheel and deal for one. Bill P. |
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