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> Live update (Sat) Andy's car/Cellete bench
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post May 30 2006, 04:33 PM
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now what i'd really like to see is mueller stopping by scotts shop thursday after work and take exact measurements of all the fixtures ...

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post May 30 2006, 05:31 PM
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Just what we need! Stronger jack stands!



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post May 30 2006, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 30 2006, 03:33 PM) *

now what i'd really like to see is mueller stopping by scotts shop thursday after work and take exact measurements of all the fixtures ...


I second the nomination of Mueller to measure the bench (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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post May 30 2006, 07:04 PM
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At this juncture - couldn't he just measure Andy's car?

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post May 30 2006, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(fiid @ May 30 2006, 06:04 PM) *

At this juncture - couldn't he just measure Andy's car?
uhmm-uh, measure my car to what??? it's all in the reference point!

if he get's a exact measurement of the fixtures, we can replicate them. the idea is to get a exact measuremeant of height to a level ground (the bench) as well as location.

think 3-D, not 2-D ...
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post May 30 2006, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(Jenny @ May 30 2006, 01:47 PM) *

Funny you should mention that. Saturday night while I was watching Rafael, Mark & Andy working, I was pretty close to the stretcher. McMark graciously put himself between me and the chains just in case of such an occurence. What a gentleman! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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Jen, I don't want to spoil this for you but Mark is just into "chains" if you catch my drift.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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post May 30 2006, 09:12 PM
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From a fabrication and accuracy point, It would be better to make the pieces while you had a straight body to use as "a fixture" For instance, duplicate one piece at a time while the others were still attached to the frame and the body. Otherwise you would almost need a "welding fixture" to accurately weld the pieces together. Very time consuming without a welding fixture.
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post May 30 2006, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(jimtab @ May 30 2006, 06:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Jenny @ May 30 2006, 01:47 PM) *

Funny you should mention that. Saturday night while I was watching Rafael, Mark & Andy working, I was pretty close to the stretcher. McMark graciously put himself between me and the chains just in case of such an occurence. What a gentleman! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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Jen, I don't want to spoil this for you but Mark is just into "chains" if you catch my drift.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)


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post May 30 2006, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ May 30 2006, 08:12 PM) *

From a fabrication and accuracy point, It would be better to make the pieces while you had a straight body to use as "a fixture" For instance, duplicate one piece at a time while the others were still attached to the frame and the body. Otherwise you would almost need a "welding fixture" to accurately weld the pieces together. Very time consuming without a welding fixture.



I don't see this as being an easy task at all...I "think" , we could get something "close" and better than nothing...

what we need is something from Faro

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got $40K I can borrow???
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post May 31 2006, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 30 2006, 03:33 PM) *

now what i'd really like to see is mueller stopping by scotts shop thursday after work and take exact measurements of all the fixtures ...

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Why do you think I keep offering to deliver the fixtures for you, so that they can accidentally get "lost"

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post May 31 2006, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(jonwatts @ May 30 2006, 11:48 PM) *

Why do you think I keep offering to deliver the fixtures for you, so that they can accidentally get "lost"

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you could have told me ...
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post May 31 2006, 03:52 PM
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Yeah Baby, those digital template systems for a CNC are way cool. I want one for the V.Alberti CNC here in Suriname to make and copy stuff only they are $25k

I met a guy who will make one for $5000 in Las Vegas.....
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post May 31 2006, 05:15 PM
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Guys,
We use digital templates in our industry all the time for the cnc stuff and the complete system cost about 4k.

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post May 31 2006, 05:19 PM
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Idon't know off hand if it will duplicate the .005 tolerance of the Faro, but do we need that to duplicate the Celite fixtures?
This looks like something we could "one off " with the water jet.
Do we have any decent pics of the fixtures in question?

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Let me see if I can get my guy in the field as he has the system with him. I'll see if we have a manual in the shop.

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post May 31 2006, 08:15 PM
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Glad you are trying to measure the fixtures.

That 3-D CAD model will be handy.

Being a creative sort, I kept imagining simple fixtures that could be made to check key measurements out- picture a 3-D template...

Yup, probably could fab something quick outa tubing, plates, pins and stuff that could be used to check for accuracy.

A measurement fixture in other words. As per tolearances, it doesn't have to be in thousandths.

Stuff I designed over 8 feet long was +/- .25 of an inch- commercial tolerances.

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QUOTE(kwales @ May 31 2006, 07:15 PM) *

Being a creative sort, I kept imagining simple fixtures that could be made to check key measurements out- picture a 3-D template...

Yup, probably could fab something quick outa tubing, plates, pins and stuff that could be used to check for accuracy.

A measurement fixture in other words. As per tolearances, it doesn't have to be in thousandths.


Wow, I must be smart, I was thinking the same thing.
- Bolt all the fixtures to the table
- Cut some small plates (with holes in the middle) to act as the body mount points
- Connect it all with some cheap square tube and enough slag to make it solid

But then I was wondering how useful it would be. You could bolt it up to check a tub but you'd have to pull it off and put it back on between adjustments or you risk changing your template.

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post May 31 2006, 09:16 PM
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but you'd have to pull it off and put it back on between adjustments or you risk changing your template.
that's why the celette fixtures are so fucking heavy! 1100lbs just for the fixtures alone ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

they (the body shop) used them to pull the tub. just hook a chain around the fixture and pull ...
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post May 31 2006, 09:24 PM
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Does the shop own the Celette bench, and just rent the fixtures for the car at hand?

Can you give us the low down on how a pull is made. I assume that if the body is twisted, then the attachment points are not going to line up. So what then? Attach the fixture to the body point and pull it to the proper location on the bench? What if the point is rotten like a suspension ear?
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