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| SirAndy |
 Jan 4 2021, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 4 2021, 05:47 AM)  Unfortunately, no. The car was on a bench 15 years ago. @mepstein Mine was, but the new posts clearly show another 914 on their bench right now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| mepstein |
Jan 4 2021, 12:22 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,593 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 4 2021, 11:48 AM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 4 2021, 05:47 AM) Unfortunately, no. The car was on a bench 15 years ago. @mepstein Mine was, but the new posts clearly show another 914 on their bench right now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Right on the bench but I'm not sure there are (914 celette) fixtures for it. |
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 4 2021, 12:28 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
QUOTE(pencap914 @ Jan 3 2021, 10:46 PM) So does this mean there's a shop in Palo Alto that has a Cellete bench with 914 fixtures? My tub is still a bit tweaked from the installation of the inner long stiffening kit, and I don't necessarily trust my skills at un-tweaking a tub in my garage... I too am curious to know how many shop hours this typically takes. I was out last week, but Scott Yeaman borrowed a set of newer style fixtures from a shop in Oakland. |
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 4 2021, 12:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
Some progress photos while I was gone. The repair car is still not benched on the Celette.
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 4 2021, 12:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
More progress.
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 4 2021, 12:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
The donor car has donated.
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 4 2021, 12:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 4 2021, 08:48 AM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 4 2021, 05:47 AM) Unfortunately, no. The car was on a bench 15 years ago. @mepstein Mine was, but the new posts clearly show another 914 on their bench right now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Hi Andy, I haven't been on this forum for years and decided to post some fresh photos. Not to hi jack your thread. Cheers! |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 4 2021, 12:36 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,891 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(JMDAZED @ Jan 4 2021, 10:33 AM) Hi Andy, I haven't been on this forum for years and decided to post some fresh photos. Not to hi jack your thread. Cheers! No worries, it's all good. Glad to see another 914 saved! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Luke M |
Jan 4 2021, 02:00 PM
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Hi Andy,
Do you mind if I add this info here as well? May as well keep this thread alive with the bench and fixtures info for future references. I purchased a set of Celette 914 fixtures from a guy in CA and the BlackHawk bench from Perry. All now in Western New York. I mainly purchased these to fix my factory 6 and my brothers 74 914 which needed a lot of metal work. The word was that the Celette fixtures could be a bolt-on to the BlackHawk bench. There was even a law suite between the two about this. The issue that I just came across is that my bench and fixtures do not mate. The bench is way wider then the Celette fixtures. I even tried fitting the BlackHawk cross beams to the fixtures and still it's a no go. I looked into this over the weekend and found several differences between the two benches. I could make the Blackhawk bench work with the Celette fixtures but it's gonna take some time. I would need to add a few cross beams, a front flat plate, and drill some new holes into the I-beams. That's one way. The other way would be to make all new cross beams to fit between the bench and fixtures. I'm not sure which way to go yet but either way it needs to be flat when done. Does anyone know for sure if the Celette fixtures where a direct bolt-on to a BlackHawk bench? Or was there some in between fixtures that allowed that to happen? This info seams hard to find and verify. |
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| Andyrew |
Jan 4 2021, 02:49 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Boy this reminds me too much of what Dad did to the white car...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8lC...r9P5c7uWT_AZHPR Im really curious now what the PROS will do differently. |
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| rick 918-S |
Jan 5 2021, 12:01 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,785 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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QUOTE(Luke M @ Jan 4 2021, 02:00 PM) Hi Andy, Do you mind if I add this info here as well? May as well keep this thread alive with the bench and fixtures info for future references. I purchased a set of Celette 914 fixtures from a guy in CA and the BlackHawk bench from Perry. All now in Western New York. I mainly purchased these to fix my factory 6 and my brothers 74 914 which needed a lot of metal work. The word was that the Celette fixtures could be a bolt-on to the BlackHawk bench. There was even a law suite between the two about this. The issue that I just came across is that my bench and fixtures do not mate. The bench is way wider then the Celette fixtures. I even tried fitting the BlackHawk cross beams to the fixtures and still it's a no go. I looked into this over the weekend and found several differences between the two benches. I could make the Blackhawk bench work with the Celette fixtures but it's gonna take some time. I would need to add a few cross beams, a front flat plate, and drill some new holes into the I-beams. That's one way. The other way would be to make all new cross beams to fit between the bench and fixtures. I'm not sure which way to go yet but either way it needs to be flat when done. Does anyone know for sure if the Celette fixtures where a direct bolt-on to a BlackHawk bench? Or was there some in between fixtures that allowed that to happen? This info seams hard to find and verify. I was always under the impression the worked also. I wonder if you need the Celette cross beams too. That may be the issue. Shoot a couple photos of the deck on your bench. Do you have any threaded holes? |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 5 2021, 12:19 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,891 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jan 5 2021, 10:01 AM) I wonder if you need the Celette cross beams too. That may be the issue. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-8-1148753473.jpg) |
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 5 2021, 05:42 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
Like a puzzle.
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| Luke M |
Jan 6 2021, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jan 5 2021, 11:01 AM) QUOTE(Luke M @ Jan 4 2021, 02:00 PM) Hi Andy, Do you mind if I add this info here as well? May as well keep this thread alive with the bench and fixtures info for future references. I purchased a set of Celette 914 fixtures from a guy in CA and the BlackHawk bench from Perry. All now in Western New York. I mainly purchased these to fix my factory 6 and my brothers 74 914 which needed a lot of metal work. The word was that the Celette fixtures could be a bolt-on to the BlackHawk bench. There was even a law suite between the two about this. The issue that I just came across is that my bench and fixtures do not mate. The bench is way wider then the Celette fixtures. I even tried fitting the BlackHawk cross beams to the fixtures and still it's a no go. I looked into this over the weekend and found several differences between the two benches. I could make the Blackhawk bench work with the Celette fixtures but it's gonna take some time. I would need to add a few cross beams, a front flat plate, and drill some new holes into the I-beams. That's one way. The other way would be to make all new cross beams to fit between the bench and fixtures. I'm not sure which way to go yet but either way it needs to be flat when done. Does anyone know for sure if the Celette fixtures where a direct bolt-on to a BlackHawk bench? Or was there some in between fixtures that allowed that to happen? This info seams hard to find and verify. I was always under the impression the worked also. I wonder if you need the Celette cross beams too. That may be the issue. Shoot a couple photos of the deck on your bench. Do you have any threaded holes? I thought that I may need the Celette cross beams too but didn't want to spend more money if they wouldn't work. That's why I'm asking for someone that may have a set for measurements to confirm the fitment. If it is what I need that so be it but need to make sure that's the case. There's not much info out there that really clarifies that issue. The BlackHawk bench has no threaded holes but just drilled holes all the way down both sides of the I-beams. One big thing that I noticed is that the Celette bench has a large flat piece towards the front of their bench. The BlackHawk bench does not have this piece which is needed to mount the two front A-arm mounts and the Celette cross beam which holds the fixtures for the strut/cross member fixtures. I'll post a few pics of what I mean soon. I believe these are the cross beams that I may need. I still need to verify that. Attached image(s) 
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| rick 918-S |
Jan 6 2021, 09:34 AM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,785 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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QUOTE(Luke M @ Jan 6 2021, 08:04 AM) QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jan 5 2021, 11:01 AM) QUOTE(Luke M @ Jan 4 2021, 02:00 PM) Hi Andy, Do you mind if I add this info here as well? May as well keep this thread alive with the bench and fixtures info for future references. I purchased a set of Celette 914 fixtures from a guy in CA and the BlackHawk bench from Perry. All now in Western New York. I mainly purchased these to fix my factory 6 and my brothers 74 914 which needed a lot of metal work. The word was that the Celette fixtures could be a bolt-on to the BlackHawk bench. There was even a law suite between the two about this. The issue that I just came across is that my bench and fixtures do not mate. The bench is way wider then the Celette fixtures. I even tried fitting the BlackHawk cross beams to the fixtures and still it's a no go. I looked into this over the weekend and found several differences between the two benches. I could make the Blackhawk bench work with the Celette fixtures but it's gonna take some time. I would need to add a few cross beams, a front flat plate, and drill some new holes into the I-beams. That's one way. The other way would be to make all new cross beams to fit between the bench and fixtures. I'm not sure which way to go yet but either way it needs to be flat when done. Does anyone know for sure if the Celette fixtures where a direct bolt-on to a BlackHawk bench? Or was there some in between fixtures that allowed that to happen? This info seams hard to find and verify. I was always under the impression the worked also. I wonder if you need the Celette cross beams too. That may be the issue. Shoot a couple photos of the deck on your bench. Do you have any threaded holes? I thought that I may need the Celette cross beams too but didn't want to spend more money if they wouldn't work. That's why I'm asking for someone that may have a set for measurements to confirm the fitment. If it is what I need that so be it but need to make sure that's the case. There's not much info out there that really clarifies that issue. The BlackHawk bench has no threaded holes but just drilled holes all the way down both sides of the I-beams. One big thing that I noticed is that the Celette bench has a large flat piece towards the front of their bench. The BlackHawk bench does not have this piece which is needed to mount the two front A-arm mounts and the Celette cross beam which holds the fixtures for the strut/cross member fixtures. I'll post a few pics of what I mean soon. I believe these are the cross beams that I may need. I still need to verify that. See the countersunk holes. Those are the holes used to bolt the crossmembers to the bench. I can't find my metric tape. It is still packed from the move. But check to see if you have holes in your bench that measure 33 3/8 center to center. There are other holes fro mounting the cross members but these are commonly used. |
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| Luke M |
Jan 6 2021, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jan 6 2021, 08:34 AM) QUOTE(Luke M @ Jan 6 2021, 08:04 AM) QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jan 5 2021, 11:01 AM) QUOTE(Luke M @ Jan 4 2021, 02:00 PM) Hi Andy, Do you mind if I add this info here as well? May as well keep this thread alive with the bench and fixtures info for future references. I purchased a set of Celette 914 fixtures from a guy in CA and the BlackHawk bench from Perry. All now in Western New York. I mainly purchased these to fix my factory 6 and my brothers 74 914 which needed a lot of metal work. The word was that the Celette fixtures could be a bolt-on to the BlackHawk bench. There was even a law suite between the two about this. The issue that I just came across is that my bench and fixtures do not mate. The bench is way wider then the Celette fixtures. I even tried fitting the BlackHawk cross beams to the fixtures and still it's a no go. I looked into this over the weekend and found several differences between the two benches. I could make the Blackhawk bench work with the Celette fixtures but it's gonna take some time. I would need to add a few cross beams, a front flat plate, and drill some new holes into the I-beams. That's one way. The other way would be to make all new cross beams to fit between the bench and fixtures. I'm not sure which way to go yet but either way it needs to be flat when done. Does anyone know for sure if the Celette fixtures where a direct bolt-on to a BlackHawk bench? Or was there some in between fixtures that allowed that to happen? This info seams hard to find and verify. I was always under the impression the worked also. I wonder if you need the Celette cross beams too. That may be the issue. Shoot a couple photos of the deck on your bench. Do you have any threaded holes? I thought that I may need the Celette cross beams too but didn't want to spend more money if they wouldn't work. That's why I'm asking for someone that may have a set for measurements to confirm the fitment. If it is what I need that so be it but need to make sure that's the case. There's not much info out there that really clarifies that issue. The BlackHawk bench has no threaded holes but just drilled holes all the way down both sides of the I-beams. One big thing that I noticed is that the Celette bench has a large flat piece towards the front of their bench. The BlackHawk bench does not have this piece which is needed to mount the two front A-arm mounts and the Celette cross beam which holds the fixtures for the strut/cross member fixtures. I'll post a few pics of what I mean soon. I believe these are the cross beams that I may need. I still need to verify that. See the countersunk holes. Those are the holes used to bolt the crossmembers to the bench. I can't find my metric tape. It is still packed from the move. But check to see if you have holes in your bench that measure 33 3/8 center to center. There are other holes fro mounting the cross members but these are commonly used. Rick, I got 33 3/4'' center to center on the side to side. Down each I-beam is holes 1/2'' in diameter that are 4'' apart. I don't think the Celette adapter plates will work either as the have the same 4'' x 4'' spacing as the BlackHawk units. So not sure what to use. I believe that the Celette cross beams I posted a pic of is for the newer style Celette bases and not the Celette fixtures that I have. The fixtures that I have would mount right to the bench like the pic that Andy posted. I may have to just modify my bench to mount these fixtures. |
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 7 2021, 12:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
update
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 7 2021, 12:06 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
the front is lined up where it should be.
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| JMDAZED |
Jan 7 2021, 12:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Palo Alto CA Member No.: 6,126 |
Lots of welding the next couple days.
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 7 2021, 12:12 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,823 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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McMark made his own Cellett 914 fixtures I think...
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