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| TROJANMAN |
 Jun 7 2006, 11:43 AM
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Looks nice in pictures.........  Group: Members Posts: 5,275 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None  |
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| Scott Carlberg |
Jun 7 2006, 11:52 AM
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Porsche MOTORSPORTS Group: Members Posts: 1,595 Joined: 17-April 03 From: Modesto, Ca Member No.: 580 |
"There IS no Substitute".
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| Demick |
Jun 7 2006, 12:04 PM
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Ernie made me do it! Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,312 Joined: 6-February 03 From: Pleasanton, CA Member No.: 257  |
Porsche averages between 911 problems per 1000 vehicles.
Coincidence? I think not. :-) |
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| turboman808 |
Jun 7 2006, 12:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,718 Joined: 31-January 06 From: North Jersey Member No.: 5,505 Region Association: North East States |
Initial quality survey is not a reliability survery.
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| tat2dphreak |
Jun 7 2006, 12:19 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
the point made about design issues vs. flaws is where the difference really lies...
"For example, BMW vehicles have among the fewest defects and malfunctions, along with Toyota," said Ivers. "But BMW approaches controls and displays in a way that creates some problems for customers, leading to more design-related problems overall than Toyota incurs." porsche's simple interiors leave no flaws in design, so their 91 problems per 100 were probably actual problems that required a fix... not just design flaws that the mfg. can do nothing about... they compared the Cayman to the TT,Vette, and benz slk AMG... I dunno about the TT, but the vette and benz have been notoriously ripped for issues requiring warranty work... still, a good read, and I think it's about time that the award take into account bad design... |
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| MattR |
Jun 7 2006, 12:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(tat2dphreak @ Jun 7 2006, 11:19 AM)  porsche's simple interiors leave no flaws in design I beg to differ. I've worked on more then a couple of 996s and 997s, and the interiors arent "simple". They are really well thought out, but there are lots of panels with high quality fasteners. I tore apart a honda last week and it was filled with crappy fasteners and a poorly thought out (albiet cheap) interior assembly. I wouldnt say the porsche is any "simpler" then a honda, lexus, toyota, etc. only of higher quality matererials and better design. Yeah yeah, I'm a Porsche fan... go friggen figure. |
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| tat2dphreak |
Jun 7 2006, 12:34 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I meant simpler from the user standpoint, not from the mfg. standpoint...
porsceh lays everything out in a sensible way that WORKS very well for the driver... compared to the new BMWs that are complicated to operate the heating, radio, etc... |
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| grantsfo |
Jun 7 2006, 12:40 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
Practical expereince tells me a Toyota is much more reliable and free of quality defects.
My $9000 2002 Toyota Echo didnt have a single mechnical issue or quality problem the entire 60,000 miles I put on the car over 4 years. My $41,000 2002 Porsche Boxster had a multitude of quality issues over 50,000 miles and 4 years: 3 RMS leaks and very expensive repairs (covered under warranty) Paint quality issue ( paint seperated from the body) Air Conditioning drains were not properly installed causing flood of water into the car damaging carpets and insulation. Premature front wheel bearing failure. Constant front end vibration that was never fixed by the dealer - ulimately I brought the car to a profesional alignment shop who where able to fix the front end. ...and a few other minor interior issues. |
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| Air_Cooled_Nut |
Jun 7 2006, 02:36 PM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
With higher tech cars come bigger owner's manuals...and we know how much people read manuals...they don't! I'm sure that leads to negative votes from consumers (their own stupidity).
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| 0396 |
Jun 7 2006, 08:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,046 Joined: 13-October 03 From: L.A. Calif Member No.: 1,245 Region Association: Southern California |
Buy a Honda
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