Show me your front oil cooler..., ...running through the fog light grills Options

[GTeener]

So I just talked to Rich Walton at Jerry Woods Enterprises (JWE). He likes the idea of the 2 small coolers in the fog light location. BUT he's never done it either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

He thinks that it can be done outside the chassis behind the horn grills, like was suggested already. Thereby not cutting the car much and cooling well. The lines will already be in the proper places if I decide to go big full frontal later (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

He'd also charge me a ridiculous amount to do the work...but he'll do the work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

The thing he was most concerned about is why my little 2.2S was generating that much heat. Even my typical 220 temp. was higher than he'd recommend. They like their cars (albeit taildraggers with coolers outside the chassis) running between 180-210.

He suggests checking the cloggage condition of the engine's current oil cooler.

How easy is that to get at and check out? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Cap'n Krusty]

What happens if it doesn't cool enough?

What if the fan can't generate enough cool air from under the car at 60+ MPH?

My point, exactly. The Cap'n

[lapuwali]

First thing, not yet discussed at all: how are you checking your oil temp? If you're going by the gauge on the dash, has that ever been checked for accuracy? PA Speedo could do this for you.

Second, you can see the bottom of the oil cooler from underneath. Driver's side of the car, rear of the engine, aft of the aft-most cylinder. There will be an oil line coming out below the cooler. To see the top of the cooler look at the fan cooling shroud, and see if you can distinguish a second "bump" above where the cooler will be. It's often a different color than the main shroud. If you can, and you can see the bolts that hold it down (there are several), that shroud can be removed to expose the top of the cooler. I have no idea how hard or easy this would be to do with the engine in the car, or with the FI bolted to the engine. I expect it would NOT be easy. Cleaning the cooler (and the cylinders) is something that requires the FI to be removed, and that fan cooling shroud removed. This is no big deal with carbs or CIS, but with MFI...

[GTeener]

First thing, not yet discussed at all: how are you checking your oil temp? If you're going by the gauge on the dash, has that ever been checked for accuracy? PA Speedo could do this for you.

Second, you can see the bottom of the oil cooler from underneath. Driver's side of the car, rear of the engine, aft of the aft-most cylinder. There will be an oil line coming out below the cooler. To see the top of the cooler look at the fan cooling shroud, and see if you can distinguish a second "bump" above where the cooler will be. It's often a different color than the main shroud. If you can, and you can see the bolts that hold it down (there are several), that shroud can be removed to expose the top of the cooler. I have no idea how hard or easy this would be to do with the engine in the car, or with the FI bolted to the engine. I expect it would NOT be easy. Cleaning the cooler (and the cylinders) is something that requires the FI to be removed, and that fan cooling shroud removed. This is no big deal with carbs or CIS, but with MFI...

Brad installed external oil pressure and temp gauges in the center console back when he was working at HPH. The pressure sender was just replaced by Tony at Heyer Performance.

[lapuwali]

First thing, not yet discussed at all: how are you checking your oil temp? If you're going by the gauge on the dash, has that ever been checked for accuracy? PA Speedo could do this for you.

Brad installed external oil pressure and temp gauges in the center console back when he was working at HPH. The pressure sender was just replaced by Tony at Heyer Performance.

All due respect to Brad, while I'm sure he installed the right parts, there's no telling what the calibration of those parts are. What are your oil temps normally? Say, for a typical commute from PA to San Jose? Do you fly down 280, or crawl along on 101? What's the highest temp you remember seeing during your commute?

[GTeener]

First thing, not yet discussed at all: how are you checking your oil temp? If you're going by the gauge on the dash, has that ever been checked for accuracy? PA Speedo could do this for you.

Brad installed external oil pressure and temp gauges in the center console back when he was working at HPH. The pressure sender was just replaced by Tony at Heyer Performance.

All due respect to Brad, while I'm sure he installed the right parts, there's no telling what the calibration of those parts are. What are your oil temps normally? Say, for a typical commute from PA to San Jose? Do you fly down 280, or crawl along on 101? What's the highest temp you remember seeing during your commute?

I prefer to fly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Once the car is warm and humming along on my 25-ish mile commute, she runs pretty consistently at 220.

[brer]

You might need this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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[pete-stevers]

hey sunshine!
are you opposed to the cented front mount cooler?
you needn't make it as bulky as mine.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
but running cooper lines along th e body helps disapate as well....
i used refrigeration grade copper, welded with silver soder....
my lines get fairly
warm but never to hot to touch.....
but up here it doesnt get as hot as you lucky californians.....
take care
Steve

[brant]

but running cooper lines along th e body helps disapate as well....
i used refrigeration grade copper, welded with silver soder....
my lines get fairly
warm but never to hot to touch.....
but up here it doesnt get as hot as you lucky californians.....
take care
Steve

Steve,

i run aluminum lines in my retired race car cooler... (now street car)
same thing. disappates heat.
I theorized that the aluminum tubing would be less suseptable to cracking.
I ran mine outside the longs
brant

[Marv's3.6six]

Back to the original question..........
Doesnt Jim Lamonica's 914-6 have behind the foglight grill oil coolers for his 3.6? That is a very saweet looking install, someones gotta have pics!?! So cal contingent?

[agrump]

I thought I would throw in my two cents, here is the installation I'm working on that uses two small coolers. I wanted to keep as much usable trunk space as possible. I'm using 90 degree fittings coming out of the coolers and everything fits under the tire cover which is raised due to the DPD AC condensor. I'm going to build ducting that wraps around the spare tire and exits out of the side of the fenders.

I am running the oil lines on the drivers side because the AC lines are on the other side. I did have a rear mounted cooler and fan but it didn't provide enough cooling.

[McMark]

Dean, I'm anxious to see your results. I applaud your creativity.

[sean_v8_914]

gjvytjm

[GTeener]

Thanks for chiming in Dean. Your design looks interesting. Can we see more pictures? Like what does it look like from the front of the car?

I only have a 2.2S engine so it shouldn't be getting as hot as 3Ltr. engine.

I like how you are preserving the front trunk space.

I really want to do something that cools efficiently, the least invasive and the most low-profile/elegant.

I've been thinking more about the spare tire preservation requirement and it has been brought to my attention by a co-worker that my full-spare only matches the front tires of my car. I have 205s in the front and 225s in the back. So my concern for its preservation are somewhat flawed. Plus I don't have a jack or lug wrench for the tires either...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

So I'm back to focusing on the front cooler designs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[GTeener]

hey sunshine!
are you opposed to the cented front mount cooler?
you needn't make it as bulky as mine.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
but running cooper lines along th e body helps disapate as well....
i used refrigeration grade copper, welded with silver soder....
my lines get fairly
warm but never to hot to touch.....
but up here it doesnt get as hot as you lucky californians.....
take care
Steve

Hiya Steve,

I have been opposed to the front cooler mount because of trunk space and spare-tire preservation. But as I posted earlier, my full-spare concern is somewhat illogical (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Copper or aluminum lines (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) seem interesting. Not so flexible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I've heard that copper costs are shooting through the roof though. So much so that construction sites are being robbed and stripped of their copper plumbing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[GTeener]

BTW- I drove G TEENER to work today.

By the time I arrived at the office, the temp was registering 220. Drive time 7:30 am PST, temp approximately 75 F.

[Aaron Cox]

Back to the original question..........
Doesnt Jim Lamonica's 914-6 have behind the foglight grill oil coolers for his 3.6? That is a very saweet looking install, someones gotta have pics!?! So cal contingent?

yep, shawn anderson called me and reminded me of that....

IIRC jim has at least 2 coolers... (might have a middle one also?) behind the fogs, with working headlights and all....

[brant]

Gwen,

maybe just bite the bullet and go with the proven GT pieces?
(you said you were back to thinking about frontal coolers)

[Aaron Cox]

and, as i posted, you can use a vertical mount space saver.... so.. its all good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[GTeener]

Gwen,

maybe just bite the bullet and go with the proven GT pieces?
(you said you were back to thinking about frontal coolers)

OK, so here's another issue that was brought to my attention with the GT design.... How noticeable is the lift created by the hot air venting out under the car?

The foglight design vents in to the wheel wells, so no lift.

And no, I don't want a vent cut in to my front hood (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)