Show me your front oil cooler..., ...running through the fog light grills Options

[lapuwali]

You can vent any front mounted cooler into the wheel wells. You don't really even need any ducting.

[McMark]

205 vs 225 is irrelevant because that is the width of the tire not the height. As long as you have a 205 or smaller spare it will work. Plus a spare just need to get you to a tire shop, so it's okay if it's not a perfect replacement. A jack and a wrench aren't a big deal because if someone stops to help it's likely they'll be able to use the pieces from their car (regardless of make). Although, a wrench wouldn't be a bad addition to your car. I feel the extra air flow under the car isn't an issue except in a fast car on a big track. But I'm sure there are some people with real world experience.

[brant]

Gwen,

maybe just bite the bullet and go with the proven GT pieces?
(you said you were back to thinking about frontal coolers)

OK, so here's another issue that was brought to my attention with the GT design.... How noticeable is the lift created by the hot air venting out under the car?

The foglight design vents in to the wheel wells, so no lift.

And no, I don't want a vent cut in to my front hood (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

honestly... I never used to notice any lift.
I'm sure there is some theoretically, but not to the level that you can actually feel anything by the seat of your pants... (at least not my seat)

still... front hood is theoretically better
here is my front hood on my retired car:

[maf914]

There has been a lot of talk about the air vented through the front trung floor creating lift, but I wonder if the effect is really significant relative to a stock car. On a stock car with no front inlet where does the air that strikes the front bumper go. The front bumper is sort of bow-like and most of the air probably goes under the car. Unless you have an agressive front spoiler/air dam. Cut an opening, force the air through a cooler, vent it through the floor, where does it go? Under the car. I just don't think there is a big difference.

Now an exhaust through the top of the hood is another matter, and I think that may be beneficial from an aero standpoint.

[GTeener]

Esthetically, the top of the hood exit duct doesn't appeal to me. My car isn't a hard-core track car. It gets tracked only recreationally (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Most of my driving is low altitude street flying ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/busted_cop.gif) ).

[GTeener]

You can vent any front mounted cooler into the wheel wells. You don't really even need any ducting.

So why all the cars with the holes cut out the back of the trunk and out to the ground through the trunk?

[lapuwali]

Different strokes for different folks. Some people vent it down, some people out the side, some people up. Some people vent, others don't.

Some people put them in back under the trunk, too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[Aaron Cox]

rofl james.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif)

[GTeener]

decisions, decisions, money, money (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I'd like the fog light design to work. I think it fits my form and function desires. I'm hesitant to finance the R&D and muck up my car if it fails.

[Aaron Cox]

not really mucking up. i have faith

i can prolly get you Jim L's number through a mutual friend, he is using fog light coolers to keep his 3.6 cool....

[GTeener]

not really mucking up. i have faith

i can prolly get you Jim L's number through a mutual friend, he is using fog light coolers to keep his 3.6 cool....

Thanks. Pictures would be good too.

[agrump]

Thanks for chiming in Dean. Your design looks interesting. Can we see more pictures? Like what does it look like from the front of the car?

I'm still hacking away at it. The holes I made in the front are pretty small, I may have to open them up but I wanted to try it out first. I have more pics at http://www.marinerc.net/914/front_mounted_oil_coolers.htm

[GTeener]

Thanks for chiming in Dean. Your design looks interesting. Can we see more pictures? Like what does it look like from the front of the car?

I'm still hacking away at it. The holes I made in the front are pretty small, I may have to open them up but I wanted to try it out first. I have more pics at http://www.marinerc.net/914/front_mounted_oil_coolers.htm

Thanks for the front view.

[GTeener]

BTW- I drove G TEENER to work today.

By the time I arrived at the office, the temp was registering 220. Drive time 7:30 am PST, temp approximately 75 F.

Follow-up on the drive home after work after 6pm in traffic. By the time got to my destination I was back at the 260 mark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[McMark]

Did it used to run this hot? Or is it just after you got it tuned that it runs hotter? The state of tune of the engine can have a large impact on the oil temps.

[brant]

Did it used to run this hot? Or is it just after you got it tuned that it runs hotter? The state of tune of the engine can have a large impact on the oil temps.

the timing a bit too.

[GTeener]

Did it used to run this hot? Or is it just after you got it tuned that it runs hotter? The state of tune of the engine can have a large impact on the oil temps.

It used to run pretty consistently at 220 or lower. What would have happened during the tune-up to change the temp readings?

[GTeener]

Did it used to run this hot? Or is it just after you got it tuned that it runs hotter? The state of tune of the engine can have a large impact on the oil temps.

the timing a bit too.

Well since my car will not hold an idle setting, most likely because the MFI throttle bodies need rebuilding, I can't control the timing. It is supposed to be set at 1000 RPM, but sometimes it idles higher and sometimes lower.

[Cap'n Krusty]

Did it used to run this hot? Or is it just after you got it tuned that it runs hotter? The state of tune of the engine can have a large impact on the oil temps.

It used to run pretty consistently at 220 or lower. What would have happened during the tune-up to change the temp readings?

Timing. The Cap'n

[GTeener]

Did it used to run this hot? Or is it just after you got it tuned that it runs hotter? The state of tune of the engine can have a large impact on the oil temps.

It used to run pretty consistently at 220 or lower. What would have happened during the tune-up to change the temp readings?

Timing. The Cap'n

So are you now telling me that if I get my throttle bodies rebuilt and the timing to stay at a fixed idle my cooling problems will be solved?