Show me your front oil cooler..., ...running through the fog light grills Options

[John]

I looked for pics of the front, and didn't see much. I'll have to quit driving it and get some pics. It is intoxicating. The car looks like a stock 914 with 5-lug cookie cutters on it. The power is incredible. It feels much like the track car (quicker than my turbo).

I did find a very dusty one taken about a month ago. I kept an early chrome bumper on the front. I notched out a stock valence quasi-GT style. It definately gets enough airflow during these scorching Kansas City days that we have been getting. Solid 180 degrees and nothing more. (I checked it with a non-contact I/R temp probe from work)

[John]

My cooler is a MOCAL 60 row 115 matrix cooler. My lines run inside the heater tubes up to the front, then they duck through the box section ala-GT style and into the front trunk.

The pressure (return) line runs up the passenger side, and the suction line (engine feed) runs back down the drivers side.

Since only one line is on each side, the lump is minimal and is not really noticable. Besides, who has time to look under carpeting when the scenery is moving by so rapidly?

I like how it turned out and would do it again.

Oh yeah, there is the tub up on the rotissorie............

[GTeener]

I finally did it. Well actually, I finally had it done by Leamon Stansell (Heeltoe914).

So far she's running cool and no cutting into my pretty re-chromed front bumper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

[GTeener]

More pix of what was done.

[GTeener]

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[Justinp71]

Cool, I'm trying to install one this weekend. The PO had run AN-10 ss lines down the car, but I'm told that I have to run AN-12 for the 6-cylinder otherwise I could dry up my motor.

Where did you get you oil lines from and fittings from?

Btw I'll probably be selling a complete AN-10 oil cooler setup for anyone that wants for a 4-cyl (including earl 5x12 oil cooler).

Edit: do you have an air hole to go out of your front trunk?

[Heeltoe914]

Thanks Gwen for sharing the Pic, Its to bad I didn't take Pic of the finished product. When I work on cars from afar I like to keep the owner up to date on parts and work going on with pictures.
Just some note the lines up the passenger side fender well got a cover over it to protect the lines from objects that can come from the sticky tires.
All lines where clamped to prevent movement. All grommets added to sharp areas.
The front cooler allows a space saver tire and the OEM truck board to cover up everything.
The hot air will exit In front of the front tires, which also works as cooling air for the big 4 piston stoppers we added.
Thanks again to Patrick Motorsports again for all the high-end bits and some custom feb, work.
How do you like the new gears G?

[Justinp71]

What Kind of hose is that? is it more than the stainless braided?

Is that an all AN-12 setup?

[East coaster]

Here's mine and here the story behind the pic:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...hl=oil%20cooler

It works extermely well for my 3.6. It has 3 internal muffin fans but I've never had the need to use them even in 90+ outside air temps.

[Heeltoe914]

Yes its all 12an except the feed from tank to cooler. This is cooling for a2.2 ( S ) MFI motor. The line can be gotten at any Boat racing supply CO. Press on and go.

[GTeener]

Thanks Gwen for sharing the Pic, Its to bad I didn't take Pic of the finished product. When I work on cars from afar I like to keep the owner up to date on parts and work going on with pictures.
Just some note the lines up the passenger side fender well got a cover over it to protect the lines from objects that can come from the sticky tires.
All lines where clamped to prevent movement. All grommets added to sharp areas.
The front cooler allows a space saver tire and the OEM truck board to cover up everything.
The hot air will exit In front of the front tires, which also works as cooling air for the big 4 piston stoppers we added.
Thanks again to Patrick Motorsports again for all the high-end bits and some custom feb, work.
How do you like the new gears G?

Thanks for the good work, Leamon. You know I had to share (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

I'm liking the new gears! Shifts better too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

[stugray]

I wanted to ressurect this thread because I am considering doing a front oil cooler and have a few ideas that I was considering.
It is for a dedicated 4-cyl race car that has no fuel tank and a fuel cell where the spare would go. This would make it really difficult to do the large duct in the front trunk style. I would like to keep the look of a stock bumper.

Oil cooler option 1 (dual coolers below headlights):
Cut out the front panel behind the fog lights below the headlight bucket, cut out BOTTOM of headlight bucket only. This gives a ~4" X 8" opening on each side.
Install one small cooler in the bottom of each bucket and vent out the wheel well (Brant's method but leaves the headlights operational if desired).

Oil cooler option 2 (single cooler below windshield with intake through fog lamp holes):
Cut out the front panel behind the fog lights below the headlight bucket, Do NOT cut headlight bucket. This gives a ~4" X 8" opening on each side.
Install one large cooler below the windshield where the fuel tank used to be and vent out the vent holes in front of the windshield.

I would build a box around the area under the headlight and run a 5" duct through the trunk wall into a box that houses the oil cooler.

I think that would be like a wind tunnel through there when moving, but a fan right at the cooler would help when not moving.

My only thing that makes me hesitate about that is that the area in front of the windshield probably goes from high pressure to low pressure depending on speed, but not sure. (Positive pressure there would be bad as it would stall the airflow).

Stu

[Cairo94507]

I am glad to see this thread and we are still looking for cooler options for my car. I am hoping that pretty soon Scotty will be sticking the engine in so we can make sure everything fits properly and figure out the cooler set-up.

[pcar916]

... My only thing that makes me hesitate about that is that the area in front of the windshield probably goes from high pressure to low pressure depending on speed, but not sure. (Positive pressure there would be bad as it would stall the airflow).
Stu

The lowest pressure on the hood is right behind the bumper. The cowl under the windshield is a high pressure area, which is why the air there is directed down into the fresh-air box on all cars. S'better to work with nature and let that area be an inlet rather than an outlet.

Good luck!

[stugray]

"The lowest pressure on the hood is right behind the bumper"

Then in theory you could intake air thru the foglamp hole up through an oil cooler and vent out the rear of the headlight cover?
Maybe cut a 1" slot off the back of the HL cover?

You would get some serious air flow through there....

Stu

[shoguneagle]

This is still one of the best threads regarding the different aspects of external oil coolers and their installation. It shows the various considerations, limitations, benefits, insight, and reasons why people do their various installations. It gives excellent insight in the various items that influence the installations.

There are some great engineering and practical designs, ideas, and applications showing that the 914er is indeed an adaptive and thinking individual; one who is willing to question and adaptive and they determine their needs and solve the situational needs.

I think this thread should be placed in the "Classifies".

My thoughts,
Steve Hurt

[stugray]

Here are a few more ideas.

here is a pic of the foglamp hole and the bottom of the headlight bucket (the funnel) cut out:

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i366.photobucket.com-10819-1372741470.1.jpg)

While trying to find the perfect sized oil cooler to fit in the hole, I stuck a stock oil cooler in there and it is almost the same size as the foglamp hole. (turn it 90 degrees clockwise from the picture)
I could make it fit perfectly but I would have to cut parts from the support member that runs beneath the headlight bucket.

Is there any compelling reason that I should NOT use two stock coolers, one on either side?
I would just make two brackets for the pipe fittings to come in the back, and the coolers could bolt on with the stock gaskets.
I would of course vent out the rear of the fender..

Another option is two of these:
(IMG:http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/mediumlarge/DER-13309_ml.jpg)

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/der-13309

it is the perfect size (~5 in. X 8 in.) but looks pretty cheap.
Maybe if I beefed it up some?

Anyone know of other coolers that would fit in that hole?
Some of the other racers say that coolers from Jaguars (found at a pick U part) fit pretty well and can be found for about $20.

Stu

[brant]

The stock coolers seal with the stock rubber gaskets and would be difficult to get a good seal with....

coolers with welded on fittings would offer more certainty.

the fluidyne stuff is really nice and comes in a single pass or double pass.

used just scares me. You don't know how the motor your taking it from died. even with ultrasonic cleaning there are plenty of real life examples where a piece of schrapnel discarges later and possibly takes out a brand new motor. Not worth risking a new pricey motor for 100$ savings.

a lot of guys will throw away their coolers after a motor grenades (or sell them on ebay) and only use new coolers. Especially in the 911 world, where motors get even more $$$

[stugray]

Thanks Brant,

the fluidyne stuff is really nice and comes in a single pass or double pass.

Do you have a part number for the coolers you bought? I cannot seem to find any that small in the catalog.

used just scares me. You don't know how the motor your taking it from died.

While that is true, we dont have many options when we put the cooler in the stock location anyway. The engine is running right now with one "stock - used" cooler.

I have another option that is ~$50 each, well constructed. It is just about one inch too long.
Do those derale, coolers posted above look like they would work?
Being only 3/4 inch think, I could put two in each headlight bucket, stacked.

Stu