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> ever wondered about the "donuts" on the bottom of your car?, well, no more ...
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post Nov 11 2006, 07:51 PM
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that was done prior to painting, Fritz would take fine powdered salt, and randomly dust the car with teh stuff. This would assure rust in the coming years.

for the robots, sounds logical, however i jsut don't see what any robot would need to acess via these holes, add the lack of symetry side to side, thats wierd too, i would think the same welding operation would happen on both left and right sides. add the cost and labor to close the holes that measn there must be some really good reason to have them. heck they cheap'd out on zinc body coating!
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post Nov 12 2006, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(GWN7 @ Nov 11 2006, 02:20 PM) *

I guess this sort of proves the "donuts" were not ment to be jacking points.......

but that is where I always put the stands, I use the jack points with the little deal you stick in so you can use a floor jack.

what i would not give to have one of those cars in that color pic
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post Nov 12 2006, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(dmenche914 @ Nov 11 2006, 08:51 PM) *

that was done prior to painting, Fritz would take fine powdered salt, and randomly dust the car with teh stuff. This would assure rust in the coming years.

for the robots, sounds logical, however i jsut don't see what any robot would need to acess via these holes, add the lack of symetry side to side, thats wierd too, i would think the same welding operation would happen on both left and right sides. add the cost and labor to close the holes that measn there must be some really good reason to have them. heck they cheap'd out on zinc body coating!


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post Nov 12 2006, 03:24 PM
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heck they cheap'd out on zinc body coating!


Well actually...from a 1973 914 paint code booklet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



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post Nov 12 2006, 07:51 PM
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Dipped in water... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Maybe the holes were for drainage, not spotweld robots. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Nov 13 2006, 01:55 AM
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Are those Porsche or VW manufacturing plants?
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post Nov 13 2006, 08:07 AM
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I was thinking more zinc galvenizing (electroplated) rather than zinc phosphate paint, world of difference! If the metal panels had been galvenized prior to forming, then all surfaces including between lapped seams would be protected.

the 914's bodies are by Karmann (ie karmann Ghia) Karmann built nearly all the VW convertables, Bugs, Ghias, Rabbits, and I believe still do today. Karman also (among other coach builders) built 356's for Porsche.

914's was a joint VW /Porsche project, bodies by Karmann.
Sold by Porsche dealers in America, VW dealers in Europe.

Our engine was a VW Bus engine also used in the VW 411/412 series Our D-Jets were in the worlds first mass produced FI car, the VW type I motor based squareback /nothback, fast back series.
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post Nov 13 2006, 10:24 AM
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Love those pictures.

Brake rotors with the hats painted black. Pat, you gett'n this?

Also, I think the round holes on the floor pan are for spot welder acess. Just a semi-educated guess, not a fact.
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post Nov 13 2006, 11:15 AM
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What is that giant wheel in the very back of the first picture?
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post Nov 13 2006, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(Nickm1 @ Nov 13 2006, 09:15 AM) *

What is that giant wheel in the very back of the first picture?


it's neither giant nor in the very back ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)

just hangs off to the side waiting to be mounted ...
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post Nov 13 2006, 11:26 AM
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andy,
didn't you post something about this last year? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
i thought you had said they were used by the factory as a pivot point to slide the car around or something.

anyway.......thanks for the post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 13 2006, 11:36 AM
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andy,
didn't you post something about this last year? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
i thought you had said they were used by the factory as a pivot point to slide the car around or something.


you got it half right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

the donuts are also used by the celette bench as reference points. my comment was about the thread where the factory was restoring an original /6 and had it on the celette bench, which you can roll around while working on the car.
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post Nov 13 2006, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(cooltimes @ Nov 13 2006, 02:00 PM) *

I would like to see the big original pix


here's the large scan 19" x 13", ~2 MB jpg ...

http://www.914world.com/pix/large.jpg

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post Nov 13 2006, 04:15 PM
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third car has solid amber turn signal lenses...

So car 1) euro 2) italy? 3) USA
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post Nov 13 2006, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(Aaron Cox @ Nov 13 2006, 02:15 PM) *

third car has solid amber turn signal lenses...

So car 1) euro 2) italy? 3) USA


for all i know, one of them signal orange ones in the second row on the other side could be my car!
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post Nov 13 2006, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 13 2006, 04:06 PM) *

QUOTE(cooltimes @ Nov 13 2006, 02:00 PM) *

I would like to see the big original pix


here's the large scan 19" x 13", ~2 MB jpg ...

http://www.914world.com/pix/large.jpg

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WOW.. Now that is big.. Never knew a photo could be so clear zooming in on a resolution like that. Usually they go murky.
Thank you Andy.
Made my day better.

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WOW.. Now that is big.. Never knew a photo could be so clear zooming in on a resolution like that. Usually they go murky.


no zoom, that's actually the original size of the photo i have. i wasn't lying when i said it was too big for my scanner to scan in one piece ...

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post Nov 13 2006, 09:02 PM
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I'm sorry to say it does not look like a fun job at all.
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post Nov 13 2006, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Nov 13 2006, 01:24 PM) *

Love those pictures.

Brake rotors with the hats painted black. Pat, you gett'n this?

Also, I think the round holes on the floor pan are for spot welder acess. Just a semi-educated guess, not a fact.

Got it Eric!

I was 99.9% certain anyway, but it's great to have confirmation.

Andy, WHERE do you come up with this syuff?
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post Nov 13 2006, 09:38 PM
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Well that confirms what my Dad told me about the 914 primer coats that I have found on all the cars I have worked on.

He told me that the original literature described that they were dip painted. From what you posted, it is describing e-coated primer. That is what I thought I was looking at when I scrape tar out of the interior of these cars. The very thin, very hard coat of grey paint looks to me to be e-coat.

I am amazed that this technology dates that far back.

However, the zinc phosphate dip is just one of the pretreatment steps. (common part of e-coating processes today)
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