Automobile Atlanta's dr 914 now onboard! Options

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Hi George,

I just posted my thanks to you & AA on the flare post. Glad to see you joined this forum.

AA has always been good to me on parts & service. When I restored my 914 back in the late 90's, George gave me valuable advise. It was appreciated.

Tom

Thank you Tom. We appreciate someone like you who deeply cares about making a 914 pristine no matter what the cost!

[jasons]

We have PLENTY of sales everyday without having to be here trying to get more. (we LOVE 944 owners!!!!)

Ironic, sometimes I hate being one..... I'm the victim of an 89 S2

Lets see I did:
The clutch when the rubber centered POS failed and The top end when the timing belt failed.

I did both jobs myself and neither were for the faint of heart. (especially the clutch) Oh and I haven't even mentioned the door handles, sunroof, motor mounts, FPR, etc...

944NA's must be dropping off the road like flys. The repairs, especially if you have to farm the whole job out, must effectively total those cheaper cars.

[jhadler]

Hey George,

Is there a plan to update the AA website? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

No, I'm not offering my services, I'm not a programmer... Just asking is all...

If I had the money to do flares, I'd have jumped at the flare group-buy. Maybe another time though.

Here's a question about the flares though, do you think that a 275 width tire on a 10" rim could fit under those flares? Custom wheel, whatever offset to make it work, but is there enough room??

-Josh2

[jhadler]

944NA's must be dropping off the road like flys. The repairs, especially if you have to farm the whole job out, must effectively total those cheaper cars.

Or they're making their way to the track. The spec 944 class is getting pretty popular...

-Josh2

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Hey George,

Is there a plan to update the AA website? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

No, I'm not offering my services, I'm not a programmer... Just asking is all...

If I had the money to do flares, I'd have jumped at the flare group-buy. Maybe another time though.

Here's a question about the flares though, do you think that a 275 width tire on a 10" rim could fit under those flares? Custom wheel, whatever offset to make it work, but is there enough room??

-Josh2

We are working on an overhaul. It has been band aided to much and therefore we are virtually scrapping what we have in favor of a whole new system. You will see in the next few months.
I know that there is no way the 275 will fit with a ten inch. Sorry! They do make fiberglass extra wide though

[jhadler]

That's pretty much what I figured. Just had to take a look at it anyway with Hoosier releasing a super short diameter 275/35-15... Now, if they could justrelease a short 245, I'd be thinking about way more seriously. 275 still strikes me as too much rubber for a 100 hp, 2000 lb car...

(this is for a dedicated autox/TT car by the way...)

-Josh2

Hey George,

Is there a plan to update the AA website? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

No, I'm not offering my services, I'm not a programmer... Just asking is all...

If I had the money to do flares, I'd have jumped at the flare group-buy. Maybe another time though.

Here's a question about the flares though, do you think that a 275 width tire on a 10" rim could fit under those flares? Custom wheel, whatever offset to make it work, but is there enough room??

-Josh2

We are working on an overhaul. It has been band aided to much and therefore we are virtually scrapping what we have in favor of a whole new system. You will see in the next few months.
I know that there is no way the 275 will fit with a ten inch. Sorry! They do make fiberglass extra wide though

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

That's pretty much what I figured. Just had to take a look at it anyway with Hoosier releasing a super short diameter 275/35-15... Now, if they could justrelease a short 245, I'd be thinking about way more seriously. 275 still strikes me as too much rubber for a 100 hp, 2000 lb car...

(this is for a dedicated autox/TT car by the way...)

-Josh2

Hey George,

Is there a plan to update the AA website? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

No, I'm not offering my services, I'm not a programmer... Just asking is all...

If I had the money to do flares, I'd have jumped at the flare group-buy. Maybe another time though.

Here's a question about the flares though, do you think that a 275 width tire on a 10" rim could fit under those flares? Custom wheel, whatever offset to make it work, but is there enough room??

-Josh2

We are working on an overhaul. It has been band aided to much and therefore we are virtually scrapping what we have in favor of a whole new system. You will see in the next few months.
I know that there is no way the 275 will fit with a ten inch. Sorry! They do make fiberglass extra wide though

Another problem that few consider is that with the wider tire and wheel, trememdous strain is placed on the swing arm and chassis, originally designed to wear a complient 165x15 tire! Even the factory installing 225 tires in the rear stiffened the chassis. And the poor swing arm? How to stiffen that without it making it weigh a ton and a half, which puts further strain on the chassis!
Maybe someone out there would volunteer to make an aluminum arm??

[Dave_Darling]

Somone at one point made a trailing arm out of steel tubing, with an option for aluminum. It didn't sell very well (at all?).

Racer Chris (Chris Foley from http://www.tangerineracing.com) did some internal reinforcements to the trailing arm which helped its stiffness quite significantly and didn't weigh very much. I've also seen the pivot tube gussetted to the main arm to help prevent flexing.

Of course, at that point you probably need to brace the inner ear to the chassis... Which I've seen on some race cars, and everyone seems to have their own ideas about the exact details of how the bracing should be.

You can really go overboard on some of this stuff....

I also know racers who believe that a fresh stock trailing arm, fully re-welded, is the best way to go.

--DD

[SGB]

The ones under the cylinders. I think I have about 10 of them in a box myself (used)

I need a set for a 2.0. At least one of the mounting tabs to the heat exchangers is broken on each of mine. how mucho poesos?
I'm serious. Send pm if you don't wanna answer here.

[autohausdolby]

(Arrives late on thread - waves) Hello!

[pfierb]

We have PLENTY of sales everyday without having to be here trying to get more. (we LOVE 944 owners!!!!)

Ironic, sometimes I hate being one..... I'm the victim of an 89 S2

Lets see I did:
The clutch when the rubber centered POS failed and The top end when the timing belt failed.

I did both jobs myself and neither were for the faint of heart. (especially the clutch) Oh and I haven't even mentioned the door handles, sunroof, motor mounts, FPR, etc...

944NA's must be dropping off the road like flys. The repairs, especially if you have to farm the whole job out, must effectively total those cheaper cars.

Got rid of my 86 944 turbo as it was a financial time bomb even though it was well cared for and pristine.....I knew what was coming.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Somone at one point made a trailing arm out of steel tubing, with an option for aluminum. It didn't sell very well (at all?).

Racer Chris (Chris Foley from http://www.tangerineracing.com) did some internal reinforcements to the trailing arm which helped its stiffness quite significantly and didn't weigh very much. I've also seen the pivot tube gussetted to the main arm to help prevent flexing.

Of course, at that point you probably need to brace the inner ear to the chassis... Which I've seen on some race cars, and everyone seems to have their own ideas about the exact details of how the bracing should be.

You can really go overboard on some of this stuff....

I also know racers who believe that a fresh stock trailing arm, fully re-welded, is the best way to go.

--DD

Hi Dave glad you are here. It is just my opinion that if someone would make a stock look aluminum arm (just the way porsche did it for the 911 in 1974) The unsprung weight could be reduced and the piece would be a sales hit with stock owners in addition to the racers.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

944NA's must be dropping off the road like flys. The repairs, especially if you have to farm the whole job out, must effectively total those cheaper cars.

Or they're making their way to the track. The spec 944 class is getting pretty popular...

-Josh2

good point. It is our opinion that a stock 944 is the most economical Porsche track car anyone could own! AND no one minds abusing them!!!!!!!

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

We have PLENTY of sales everyday without having to be here trying to get more. (we LOVE 944 owners!!!!)

Ironic, sometimes I hate being one..... I'm the victim of an 89 S2

Lets see I did:
The clutch when the rubber centered POS failed and The top end when the timing belt failed.

I did both jobs myself and neither were for the faint of heart. (especially the clutch) Oh and I haven't even mentioned the door handles, sunroof, motor mounts, FPR, etc...

944NA's must be dropping off the road like flys. The repairs, especially if you have to farm the whole job out, must effectively total those cheaper cars.

Got rid of my 86 944 turbo as it was a financial time bomb even though it was well cared for and pristine.....I knew what was coming.

Another good point. The turbo although a fabulous car was way to overbuilt with very expensive parts, and therefore bound to fail. NO ONE will be able to afford to restore a 944 turbo in ten years. One reason is that Porsche will not have many parts available for the car!!!!!!

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

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The ones under the cylinders. I think I have about 10 of them in a box myself (used)
[/quote]
I need a set for a 2.0. At least one of the mounting tabs to the heat exchangers is broken on each of mine. how mucho poesos?
I'm serious. Send pm if you don't wanna answer here.
[/quote]

Hi Scott club price 25.00

[jhadler]

...It is just my opinion that if someone would make a stock look aluminum arm (just the way porsche did it for the 911 in 1974) The unsprung weight could be reduced and the piece would be a sales hit with stock owners in addition to the racers.

George,

It's not availability that's really the issue. It's legality. Most competition classes that allow for changes to the suspension like that, allow for considerably more than just replacing or reinforcing the trailing arm. And classes where it's not allowed, NOTHING is allowed. Stock is stock is stock. When it comes to rules that regulate the replacement or subsititiution of major suspension components (not counting shocks, sway bars, and the like), it's usually an all-or-nothing kindof deal.
You're either stuck with stock suspension arms andfactory located pick-up points, or you have complete freedom to design your own suspension... Not many classes have room inbetween...

A lot of folks have been playing with the reinforcement issues, and while the trailing arm itself does have weaknesses, I think the weakest link in the chain is the inner mounting ear, and not the trailing arm. Unfortunately, there's very little I can do in my class to reinforce that... Oh well...

And I can only immagine how much it would cost to fabricate (much less -buy-) an aluminum trailing arm for the 914... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

-Josh2

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

...It is just my opinion that if someone would make a stock look aluminum arm (just the way porsche did it for the 911 in 1974) The unsprung weight could be reduced and the piece would be a sales hit with stock owners in addition to the racers.

George,

It's not availability that's really the issue. It's legality. Most competition classes that allow for changes to the suspension like that, allow for considerably more than just replacing or reinforcing the trailing arm. And classes where it's not allowed, NOTHING is allowed. Stock is stock is stock. When it comes to rules that regulate the replacement or subsititiution of major suspension components (not counting shocks, sway bars, and the like), it's usually an all-or-nothing kindof deal.
You're either stuck with stock suspension arms andfactory located pick-up points, or you have complete freedom to design your own suspension... Not many classes have room inbetween...

A lot of folks have been playing with the reinforcement issues, and while the trailing arm itself does have weaknesses, I think the weakest link in the chain is the inner mounting ear, and not the trailing arm. Unfortunately, there's very little I can do in my class to reinforce that... Oh well...

And I can only immagine how much it would cost to fabricate (much less -buy-) an aluminum trailing arm for the 914... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

-Josh2

dead on with the production costs someone with design and prototype manufacturing capability would have to take it on. I did think however that in sock classes you could do what the factory did ie weld in a chassis kit which reinforces the inner rear suspension attachment (dog ear)?

[jhadler]

dead on with the production costs someone with design and prototype manufacturing capability would have to take it on. I did think however that in sock classes you could do what the factory did ie weld in a chassis kit which reinforces the inner rear suspension attachment (dog ear)?

Depends... Many classes only allow what was available off the showroom floor (from the factory) in the US. Unless you're looking at vintage racing groups, it doesn't matter if Porsche did it to the Le Mans cars or not, as those cars couldn't be ordered from a dealership in the US. If you can provide any doccumentation that proves that chassis/suspension reinforcements were available from the factory to a car that was bought off the floor in the US, I will ***PAY*** for such proof with glee. No, really...

Even if it's a TSB that shows that Porsche authorized such modifications after delivery. That would be worth it's weight in 2.0L heads... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

-Josh2

[jasons]

Another good point. The turbo although a fabulous car was way to overbuilt with very expensive parts, and therefore bound to fail. NO ONE will be able to afford to restore a 944 turbo in ten years. One reason is that Porsche will not have many parts available for the car!!!!!!

So, would you consider my S2 a car with the potential to appreciate? Its a high mileage but completely unmolested car. It really looks like a 50k mile car.

I mean we are talking 1 of 2000 coupes imported to the US. I'm sure cabs have more of a future, but I don't like convertibles in general. Its not like a 912E which is rare for the wrong reasons, the S2 has more engine, more brakes, more cowbell.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

dead on with the production costs someone with design and prototype manufacturing capability would have to take it on. I did think however that in sock classes you could do what the factory did ie weld in a chassis kit which reinforces the inner rear suspension attachment (dog ear)?

Depends... Many classes only allow what was available off the showroom floor (from the factory) in the US. Unless you're looking at vintage racing groups, it doesn't matter if Porsche did it to the Le Mans cars or not, as those cars couldn't be ordered from a dealership in the US. If you can provide any doccumentation that proves that chassis/suspension reinforcements were available from the factory to a car that was bought off the floor in the US, I will ***PAY*** for such proof with glee. No, really...

Even if it's a TSB that shows that Porsche authorized such modifications after delivery. That would be worth it's weight in 2.0L heads... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

-Josh2

With that said, our so called "last six" here came from the factory with a 2.4 s engine, which would therefore entitle all six cylinder 914s to race a 2.4s in stock classes Josh??