 Are the cowl area seals hard to replace ?, the gaps between front fenders & cowl |
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| levonfarra |
 Aug 19 2007, 02:14 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 10-February 07 From: Encino, CA Member No.: 7,521 Region Association: None  |
Mine were painted over, during PO paint job.
thanks, Levon |
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| davep |
Aug 19 2007, 07:03 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,225 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
Normally it is a 30 second task. With yours painted over it may take 30 minutes.
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| orthobiz |
Aug 19 2007, 08:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,757 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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The top of the seal is like a letter "T" and can be pulled straight upward at wither end with strong fingernails. Then it's easy to pull the rest out. Or, a screwdriver blade on its side could push the front end of the seal up but risks scratching the paint.
New ones are available; I can't remember exactly where, but I think they were listed for about 2 bucks apiece somewhere recently... Paul |
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| swl |
Aug 19 2007, 08:37 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
That's encouraging Dave. I always thought you had to take the fender off to do it. I'm in the same boat as Levon but also have a little surface rust showing there. Replacing the seal would really help. Could you give us a quick how to?
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 19 2007, 08:44 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,198 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
if the trim pieces are painted over, score the paint just on the edges of the cowl trim with a utility knife with a NEW blade. just prying them out may lift the surrounding paint. hopefully the gap was not just filled with bondo.
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| swl |
Aug 19 2007, 08:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
Thanks guys. Sort of begs the question of why you would do a quality paint job without removing the seals? I suppose for the same reason some just mask easily removed components rather than remove them. The word quality doesn't mean much to some. I know that if I was going to spend 2-3K (or more) on a paint job I'd certainly spend a weekend or two stripping the thing down. Mind you in the case of the new yellow car the paint job was really slap happy. Overspray on the front trunk carpet, lousy masking of the A pillars, even the car cover in the trunk has a spray line on it. Oh well - looks a hell of a lot better than my old car so who am I to complain!
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| Allan |
Aug 19 2007, 09:10 AM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(swl @ Aug 19 2007, 06:55 AM)  Sort of begs the question of why you would do a quality paint job without removing the seals? Maybe they also thought the fender had to be removed to replace them. IIRC, don't the fenders have to be removed to replace the seals between the fenders and the body on the old bugs? |
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| Rusty |
Aug 19 2007, 09:36 AM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,952 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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If they're really old (brittle) and wedged in there, warm up the area by leaving the car in the sun for a while. They'll be more flexible and easier to remove. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| swl |
Aug 19 2007, 10:24 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(Headrage @ Aug 19 2007, 07:10 AM) Maybe they also thought the fender had to be removed to replace them. Good point. Not everyone knows about the massive collective knowledge of this place! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) Certainly I never removed them when I had the old car painted back in the day. |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Aug 19 2007, 03:38 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,793 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Not to rain on your parade, but I'd question the quality of paint prep, if they didn't pull these before painting.
More than likely you won't be able to remove them without leaving some kind of chipping, or at best a scribe line. At this point, I guess I'd let it alone, and live with it as is. But don't ya just hate it when you know it isn't as it should be?? |
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 19 2007, 04:23 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,198 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
esp when 5(tops) minutes worth of lazyness=who knows how much $$$$ to undo.
k |
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| Pat Garvey |
Aug 19 2007, 04:43 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Headrage @ Aug 19 2007, 09:10 AM) QUOTE(swl @ Aug 19 2007, 06:55 AM) Sort of begs the question of why you would do a quality paint job without removing the seals? Maybe they also thought the fender had to be removed to replace them. IIRC, don't the fenders have to be removed to replace the seals between the fenders and the body on the old bugs? On the old bugs (I did it on a '65) they are screw mounted, but you can do it without removing the fender. Loosen the screws slightly, take the 2 uppermost ones completely off & feed the seal in place. Put the screws back in, but leave them slightly loose. Go forward or towards the rea, using the same technique until the seal is completely mounted. Tighten everything up. Doesn't take long if you WD40 the screws ahead of time (24 hrs). 914's are soo much easier - the top bead, that is. |
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| levonfarra |
Aug 19 2007, 09:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 10-February 07 From: Encino, CA Member No.: 7,521 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the great advise everybody.
I am stoked! I scored the paint with an x-acto blade and pulled them right out with no problem, no pulling the paint up either. Anyone know where I can buy new cowl seals (prefer OEM). Levon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Rusty |
Aug 19 2007, 09:45 PM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,952 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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Cool... congrats.
Check the usual suspects. I know that I got mine from Tweaks.com, part number 400-164, 99 cents per side. |
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