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914 901 Gear Ratios, Tech Article, Gear Ratio Workbook, Member Gear Set Library |
race914 |
Jan 23 2009, 03:52 PM
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73 914-4 Group: Members Posts: 1,006 Joined: 31-October 05 From: Nipomo, California (Central Coast) Member No.: 5,027 Region Association: Central California |
How can I get my top speed up. I dont race but would like to get my freeay rpm's down and a faster top speed Here's a recent thread on ways to achieve a taller 5th |
Randal |
Aug 1 2010, 03:28 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
Went to the "914 901 Gear Ratio Workbook" but couldn't find the tabs in that .xls spreadsheet.
Help, where are they hidden? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Nice work pulling all that information together! |
race914 |
Aug 1 2010, 04:07 PM
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73 914-4 Group: Members Posts: 1,006 Joined: 31-October 05 From: Nipomo, California (Central Coast) Member No.: 5,027 Region Association: Central California |
Went to the "914 901 Gear Ratio Workbook" but couldn't find the tabs in that .xls spreadsheet. Help, where are they hidden? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Nice work pulling all that information together! Hi Randal, When you open the 914 901 Gear Ration Workbook, open the excel sheet in full screen. Sometimes you won't see the excel tabs (worksheets) on the bottom of the page if not in full screen. Here's what you should see at the bottom of the excel sheet Let me know if that works. Greg |
naro914 |
Aug 1 2010, 07:40 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
I basically did what's in the link above 'to achieve a taller 5th'.
Stock was A F N V ZD Flipped 5th to 3rd, and 3rd to 5th, and swapped V 4th to R, I now have: A F KA R Z It's a real cheap way to bring all the ratio's down for MUCH better acceleration, only have to buy 4th. When someone asks, I say it feels like I have a 2 1/2, 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 gear, not 3, 4 and 5. So: * Applicable Category - Track * Engine - 2.2 liter 6 cyl * HP - approx 200 * Redline RPM - 7400 * Tire Diameter - don't know? * Weight w/driver - 2000 * 1st-5th gear codes, - A F KA R Z Works great at CMP, VIR, Barber, Watkins Glen. Not so great for Road Atlanta - could use a taller 5th. |
J P Stein |
Aug 1 2010, 09:32 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Specs of the shitbox.....er...Britbox:
Wt approx 1700 wet. 204 hp @ 6300 at the wheels.....bout the same torque 3500 to 5100. rev limit 7100. Gearing F, ZD (flipped 3rd). Tire dia 22.5 in back. Need more "umph" to run with the real big dogs. |
tomburdge |
Aug 11 2010, 02:18 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-August 05 From: Hillsborough,N.J. Member No.: 4,576 |
I basically did what's in the link above 'to achieve a taller 5th'. Stock was A F N V ZD Flipped 5th to 3rd, and 3rd to 5th, and swapped V 4th to R, I now have: A F KA R Z It's a real cheap way to bring all the ratio's down for MUCH better acceleration, only have to buy 4th. When someone asks, I say it feels like I have a 2 1/2, 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 gear, not 3, 4 and 5. So: * Applicable Category - Track * Engine - 2.2 liter 6 cyl * HP - approx 200 * Redline RPM - 7400 * Tire Diameter - don't know? * Weight w/driver - 2000 * 1st-5th gear codes, - A F KA R Z Works great at CMP, VIR, Barber, Watkins Glen. Not so great for Road Atlanta - could use a taller 5th. Doesn't get much taller then a ZD, does it? I've got one if you need it. Tom B. |
BKLA |
Aug 11 2010, 03:32 PM
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Really old member Group: Members Posts: 1,253 Joined: 14-August 05 From: OR Member No.: 4,590 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
* Applicable Category Track: Portland (w/festival corners), Oregon Raceway Park
* Engine 2.7L 6 * Max RPM 7100 * HP: 228 * Tire Diameter: 25.4" (245/40-17) * 1st-5th gear codes are: A GA M Q V |
naro914 |
Aug 11 2010, 03:39 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
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neilca |
Aug 17 2010, 06:56 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 26-July 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 4,474 |
This is for road racing at Road Atlanta and Roebling Road. 2.0 liter six cylinder 175 hp max 7500 rpm tire diameter 23.6 Gears A, I, N, S, X I have not run the box as yet but these ratios are suppose to work well on track. These are very fast tracks so first igear s considered to be a pit gear only. I have now run these gears and they are not correct. The "I" second is too low to use on track. I believe an "M" in second would make a better choice. I still need to optimize the rest of the gears. |
tomburdge |
Aug 17 2010, 02:03 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-August 05 From: Hillsborough,N.J. Member No.: 4,576 |
This is for road racing at Road Atlanta and Roebling Road. 2.0 liter six cylinder 175 hp max 7500 rpm tire diameter 23.6 Gears A, I, N, S, X I have not run the box as yet but these ratios are suppose to work well on track. These are very fast tracks so first igear s considered to be a pit gear only. I have now run these gears and they are not correct. The "I" second is too low to use on track. I believe an "M" in second would make a better choice. I still need to optimize the rest of the gears. IMHO I think its just the opposite.'I" is too tall and "M" will be way too tall for 2nd. You might think about the F,G,H/HA for second depending on revs and torque curve. "A" should just be a paddock gear and I can't imagine you coming to a 'green flag" with an "m" or anything close to it.The N,S,X package is nice. (MHO based on racing a production based 914 for the last 15 years at the national level , from Daytona to Mosport) Tom B. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
brant |
Aug 17 2010, 03:52 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,793 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I am blown away with how versatile my ratio's are
my 5th is too high for the little tracks around here but will be great for big tracks I never find a hairpin that I can't use either my 1st or 2nd gear in. F - 1st J - 2nd O - 3rd S - 4th V - 5th seriously its a lot of work to put into a box but then you have a box that will do nearly any track it sure makes tow's to other states and first time visits to new tracks a lot more reassuring! brant |
bam914 |
Aug 18 2010, 08:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 342 Joined: 23-November 03 From: Atlanta, Ga Member No.: 1,378 Region Association: None |
I am blown away with how versatile my ratio's are my 5th is too high for the little tracks around here but will be great for big tracks I never find a hairpin that I can't use either my 1st or 2nd gear in. F - 1st J - 2nd O - 3rd S - 4th V - 5th seriously its a lot of work to put into a box but then you have a box that will do nearly any track it sure makes tow's to other states and first time visits to new tracks a lot more reassuring! brant Do you have reverse with the F 1st? I just bought a JNSX for my 914. |
brant |
Aug 18 2010, 11:47 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,793 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
no reverse... The F gear is too physically wide. The F gear doesn't actually fit inside of the case either because of it's size. The case has to be machined larger on the inside and then layers of magnesium weld are built up on the exterior to re-seal the case where the F gear now resides.
mechanic jokingly told me; "its part of the commitment" I've run this way for about 4 years and its ok to give up reverse. There are a lot of 915's out there without reverse and its more common in the PCA club race ranks than I realized. but on the upside, its 5 useable gears (theoretically kinda like having a 6speed box). And with F and J, there is always the right gear for a rolling start or hairpin corner. |
bam914 |
Aug 19 2010, 03:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 342 Joined: 23-November 03 From: Atlanta, Ga Member No.: 1,378 Region Association: None |
Must have reverse in SCCA.
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neilca |
Aug 20 2010, 06:43 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 26-July 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 4,474 |
This is for road racing at Road Atlanta and Roebling Road. 2.0 liter six cylinder 175 hp max 7500 rpm tire diameter 23.6 Gears A, I, N, S, X I have not run the box as yet but these ratios are suppose to work well on track. These are very fast tracks so first igear s considered to be a pit gear only. I have now run these gears and they are not correct. The "I" second is too low to use on track. I believe an "M" in second would make a better choice. I still need to optimize the rest of the gears. IMHO I think its just the opposite.'I" is too tall and "M" will be way too tall for 2nd. You might think about the F,G,H/HA for second depending on revs and torque curve. "A" should just be a paddock gear and I can't imagine you coming to a 'green flag" with an "m" or anything close to it.The N,S,X package is nice. (MHO based on racing a production based 914 for the last 15 years at the national level , from Daytona to Mosport) Tom B. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have been using the third ("N") at turns 5, 7, and 10A at Road Atlanta with good results, that is when I can find it, shifter issues. Road Atlanta is a very fast track. |
stownsen914 |
Aug 30 2010, 09:24 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 930 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
I know one ex-914/6 racer who ran a J 1st gear at Road Atlanta, if you can believe that. He was also fond of M for second. Personally I have a "KA" second (ZD flipped backwards and welded in place of second gear on the mainshaft), and for most tracks it's great. For some tracks with slow corners, KA is too tall and I have a GA first gear. No reverse when using that ratio, but that has been inconvenient only a few times. The bigger pain is getting the car rolling in 1st when an unsprung clutch disk!
Scott |
vintage914racer |
Oct 15 2010, 01:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 436 Joined: 28-December 03 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 1,473 |
Any proven setups for Road America?
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Dr Evil |
Oct 15 2010, 08:30 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,032 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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shoguneagle |
Feb 8 2012, 05:59 AM
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shoguneagle Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 3-January 03 From: CA, OR, AZ (CAZOR); New Mexico Member No.: 84 Region Association: Northern California |
Just had Doc rebuild my transmission for the following:
Use: Street Engine 3.2 (1987) Sixer Hold max RPM to 6000 Wheel size: 17 inch Cup II rims, diameter - approx 25.3 inches Weight: Estimated 2,200 to 2,300 lbs. Gearing: 1st - A; 2nd - F; 3rd - O; 4th - X; 5th - Flipped H Goal: To have good gear ratios in each gear for peppy response and shift points; fifth gear to run somewhere below 2800rpm for extended highway cruising - have large front cooler to compensate for any increase in the oil temperature from running at lower rpm levels. Oil capacity is approximately 20 plus quarts and has been running 180 degrees at 7000ft without thermostat bypass opening; at temperature and lower altitude targeted to run in the range of 200 to 215 (temperature in target plan is at 100degrees and more; desert type environment). |
gil914 |
Feb 11 2012, 12:43 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 2-January 11 From: Somerset, NJ Member No.: 12,558 Region Association: None |
Use: Rally
Engine 2.2S Max RPM: 7300 Wheel size: 17/65-15, diameter - 25.6 Weight: 2600lbs. Gearing: A, F, HB, M, Q Limited top speed but excellent acceleration out of slower corners. Needed an E 2nd but never got around to it. Transits were strictly speed limited so Q 5th was OK. |
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