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> engine shroud and alternator on a /6, removal in the car
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post Feb 10 2004, 09:45 AM
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I noticed you had a carbon fiber one on one of the cars -- meant to ask you about that. Mind you, I was a lot more enthusiastic about the idea before I started this bit of silliness -- I'll be reluctant to remove it anytime soon (and certainly not for one with that much work to fit)!

It's getting light outside -- can I start again now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (actually not -- it got below 40F here last night so "it's cold out there campers!")

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post Feb 10 2004, 06:29 PM
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So I took a couple of hours of this afternoon -- weather is just too darn nice to let go. Finding and installing all of the shroud screws was a bit of fun. Had 4 left over at one point. Then down to 1. Got them all in finally and tightened it down.

Intake manifolds went on easy, as well as other bits of things (some trippy throttle manipulator that's likely a smog device of some kind -- vacuum line, plus two wires.)

I'm hooking up the last bits of electrical and I find I didn't shoot a pic of the coil wiring. In particular, there is a brown wire on the negative side of the coil that has to go somewhere. Anyone got a clue for me?

(after that, it's on to carbs/linkage/etc)

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post Feb 10 2004, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(krk @ Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM)

I'm hooking up the last bits of electrical and I find I didn't shoot a pic of the coil wiring. In particular, there is a brown wire on the negative side of the coil that has to go somewhere. Anyone got a clue for me?

It goes back to the post on the alternator fan housing.

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post Feb 10 2004, 08:53 PM
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You got it. It's a ground wire.
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post Feb 10 2004, 09:20 PM
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So at the end of a long day, there's good news and bad.

The good news. Got everything reassembled, and with a fully charged battery, the machine came back to life. (to me this was a minor miracle -- I haven't done this much reassembly in some time...) The wiring seems correct.

And it runs. (Gint, brake cleaner on exhaust stinks -- but it did work really well -- I'll post pics later)

And it now has an exhaust leak it's never had before. (how can a sitting car on its sorry butt acquire an exhaust leak? too much effort to smile in the morning as I rust? must be spite)

One of the carbs leaks at the accelerator pump. I guessedI would have to revisit the miserable suckers, so that wasn't that much of a surprise. I have complete carb kits, but I wanted to find out if the charging problem was solved, and I wanted to see how the jetting worked before ripping them to bits. Most of this was trial anyway -- tho I really don't wanna take that frik'n schroud off again.

But here's the real ugly part -- the original problem continues to exist. The alternator light does not come off at any rpm. I suppose I could have something wrong that blew up a perfectly good alternator -- clues welcomed! -- but other than that, it seems the problem may be elsewhere.

I'll look at it again in the morning.

But thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) for all your help! There's no way I'd have got this far flying solo.

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post Feb 10 2004, 10:09 PM
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Ouch. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Feb 10 2004, 10:11 PM
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What exactly was the original problem? Other than the light being on?
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post Feb 10 2004, 11:31 PM
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Alternator light never goes off. At any rpm.

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post Feb 10 2004, 11:34 PM
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That was 2 degrees too glib. Grotty bits are detailed here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...ltage+regulator

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post Feb 11 2004, 07:24 AM
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"glibass" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Thanks for the refresher link.

Now I remember (he says after reading the full description - again). Sorry I'm not an automotive electrical genius. Have you asked your alternator vendor (Auto Lectrics, Campbell) about your symptoms? They're in the business apparently; they might have some valuable insight.


I did pull a Bosch reman alternator out of my step-son's Cherokeee last night though (from underneath the car). Not quite as much fun as your job was, but it wasn't pretty either either.
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post Feb 11 2004, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE(krk @ Feb 10 2004, 07:20 PM)
(how can a sitting car on its sorry butt acquire an exhaust leak?...)

rust never sleeps...
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post Feb 11 2004, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Feb 11 2004, 05:41 AM)
QUOTE(krk @ Feb 10 2004, 07:20 PM)
(how can a sitting car on its sorry butt acquire an exhaust leak?...)

rust never sleeps...

Heh. It's funny. Apparently rust (and this car) are active i my dream state too. I woke up minutes ago thinking "you don't suppose that the brake cleaner that I put down the oil cleaner could have leached over to the end of the exhaust manifold and munched part of a gasket or something?"

Wadda ya think? Should I just go back to bed now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Feb 11 2004, 09:26 AM
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Blown diods (sic) from misc. reverse current?

You coming tonight?
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post Feb 11 2004, 09:31 AM
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Blown diods (sic) from misc. reverse current?

You coming tonight?

Possible -- I'm thinking that I should check the fan belt once it warms up a bit outside. If it's not on right (or at all) or too loose, it ain't gonna turn the alternator up to speed. (I should have thought of that last night -- could have checked then)

re: tonight -- don't know. Right now, i don't have a car/ride to get there.

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post Feb 11 2004, 09:35 AM
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Right now, i don't have a car/ride to get there.


How far from the San Mateo Marriott?
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post Feb 11 2004, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Feb 11 2004, 07:35 AM)
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Right now, i don't have a car/ride to get there.


How far from the San Mateo Marriott?

In traffic, prolly 45 min give or take. But it's due south, directly away from The City™ which is probably an hour + back in traffic.

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post Feb 11 2004, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(krk @ Feb 11 2004, 07:31 AM)
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Feb 11 2004, 07:26 AM)
Blown diods (sic)  from misc. reverse current?

You coming tonight?

Possible -- I'm thinking that I should check the fan belt once it warms up a bit outside. If it's not on right (or at all) or too loose, it ain't gonna turn the alternator up to speed. (I should have thought of that last night -- could have checked then)

Some good news. I hosed the install of the fan belt. With the fan belt in and at appropriate tension, the alternator works fine, and the charging light behaves appropriately!

So the car starts and runs. The passenger side carb leaks gas like a good friend of an oil producing nation -- it's more than the little drips around the accelerator pump cover. I expected to redo them anyway -- I was mostly interested in seeing if the initial jetting/etc would at least work for a while. I'll work on buttoning them up next.

The car sounds good. I've not even played with the synchrometer/etc at all, so I'm sure things are out of balance, but even then, it sounds way better than before.

On the exhaust leak, I'm not sure. I'd forgotten all the interesting noises that webers make on a running car. heh. The noise sounds like a leak, but it is not there on start up -- only after the car warms up a bit.

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post Feb 11 2004, 10:21 PM
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Nice work Kim.

I can't wait to hear that in my own garage.
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post Feb 11 2004, 10:49 PM
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You want my car? After all this high quality mechanical attention? [I'm thinking we should have fed you the beer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)]

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post Feb 11 2004, 10:53 PM
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I've finally learned my lesson (Ha!). One is plenty, thanks.
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