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> Tarret Bar group buy, Serious Buyers
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post Jan 25 2004, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(Ira Ramin @ Jan 25 2004, 12:34 AM)
I’m sorry to disappoint anyone but the group buy is over.  The deadline was 12:00 midnight on Saturday.  I had asked for this to be wrapped up quickly but instead of doing that, someone went and posted it on the Pelican board.  The person that posted it is out.  Now I have some very angry vendors and I have to insist that this is the end.  I see 8 people still possibly in.  I know who they all are and I can only honor the first five that I receive orders for with payment from Aaron’s supplier by the end of Tuesday.  No others will be accepted.  I’m sorry for having to handle it this way but unfortunately I have no other choice.

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Hey....I asked before doing it....thought I was helping.....so shoot me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

This board is monitored by other boards and blaming ME for the vendors getting pissed off is out of line. I would consider rethinking your comments. They are wrong.....
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post Jan 25 2004, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(anthony @ Jan 25 2004, 08:49 AM)
What's the point of allowing group buys if they can't be advertised on public chat boards?

many manufacturer's -don't- allow group buys. my interpretation of reading what's been posted in this thread is that only a misunderstanding in the distributor agreement with the new distributor acox was working with permitted this in the first place.

Ira could have shut it down immediately but he was trying to be a good guy and let the one that had started up on this board continue.

then it spread even further and pissed off yet another round of people.

Ira's been trying to walk the fine line between keeping this community happy and keeping all his other customers, distributors, and dealers happy. IMO he's done a great job being a stand-up guy letting it go as long as it did. don't make him out to be the bad guy here. [and no, i'm not blaming MikeZ either - this situation was frought with danger from the beginning -- a classic 'no-win' deal ...]

once upon a time, a "group buy" was a handful of local guys who could work a deal with a local distributor. nowadays, that "group" is international and threads like this become parts-brokering sessions.

distributorships and dealerships are often geographic regional deals - sometimes exclusively. it's not fair for a regional distributor to [try to] undercut every other dealer in the country and then have direct shipping from the factory besides. if you were a dealer for a manufacturer who permitted that kind of thing, you'd be wondering why you were bothering to be a dealer at all. (the main reason for being a dealer is to take advantage of the profit margin afforded by your buying volume, and the possible additional installation and "as along as" marketing opportunities. take away the pricing incentive and dealers aren't left with much more ... when we go to a vendor for event "sponsorship" money - where do you think that money comes from, and what do you think the vendor expects he is buying for it ?)

like Ira said - this buy was in full swing by the time he found out about it, and he tried to do the right thing by letting it slide. all after that is simply consequences...
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post Jan 25 2004, 11:18 AM
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I find NO fault in your argument Rich.

However, blaming the whole thing collapsing on ME.....for posting on the Pelican board and then further penalizing ME by not allowing me to get in with the discounted purchase, sucks.

I guess Smart Racing will take my money.
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post Jan 25 2004, 12:36 PM
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Furthermore other people are now being penalized because he is only accepting the first 5 orders rather than the 8 we have.
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"I" was also part of the original five.....no matter, like I said there are more manufacturers out there.

I WILL not stand for the blame for the deal going tits up, however.
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post Jan 25 2004, 02:02 PM
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I for one don't blame you Mikey - this deal was hanging from a thread from Day One. i didn't want to say anything then because i really wanted it to go through for the people involved, but i was skeptical...

you can only keep the genie in the bottle and Pandora's demons in their box for just so long once the seal is cracked, and there were a dozen issues ready to scuttle this deal.

now you and Ira are pissed at each other, which is too bad, because you're a good customer and he makes good products, but shit happens.
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post Jan 25 2004, 02:56 PM
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I ain't pissed....just wanna set the record straight....if'n I was pissed I WOULD BE PISSED....but I aints.....
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post Jan 25 2004, 03:23 PM
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This thing is still on right?

I believe I was one of thew first to jump on the bandwagon, hope Im still in..
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post Jan 25 2004, 08:29 PM
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any of your guys want to contact me and arrange shipping and payment
they're more than welcome to reach me on my personal cell at 1-519-503-7565
or at the store at 1-905-822-6234 ext #3 and just ask for Adam.  Otherwise
they're more than welcome to use email at a_roseneck@hotmail.com


here ya go...the first 5 people only. sorry
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All except me of course..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Jan 26 2004, 06:12 PM
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What the F? So, the purpose of the group buy is to get a better price for more people. Funny that only the first 5 are getting in on the deal (1 to 5 bars =$425) . Basically, the price was never intended to go below $425 and people who are ready to buy are being forced out. From a manufacturers stand point, I guess thats "ok" but it should have been stated clearly from the begining.
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post Jan 26 2004, 06:13 PM
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wasnt my doing chris, im sorry.
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I understand Aaron, I still like you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) you put some time and effort into this, and you should be recognized for this. Its too bad at the end of the deal all the rules are coming out. Oh well, there is always WEVO.....
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thanks chris, i now feel all warm and fuzzy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(acox914 @ Jan 26 2004, 04:55 PM)
thanks chris, i now feel all warm and fuzzy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Dude ya gotta change your diapers every day (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) LMAO
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I think this thing is all but dead now eh? The 5 people know who they are and have to deal with Ira directly right? Can we un-nail this thread now?

Purely to make Miles happy you know.
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I almost did this yesterday, sooooo, off it goes.
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Do it.
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Oh by all means let's make Miles happy. Let's make Ira happy, lets's make the vendors happy, just don't forget to shit on Mikey on the way out.....

Thank you, I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip the waitress.... :finger2:
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