 OT: any club/bar owners on here?, thinking about taking over a club ... |
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| SirAndy |
  May 2 2008, 12:54 PM
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Resident German  Group: Admin Posts: 41,945 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California  |
so i've been thinking about opening a bar/club here in oakland for a while now and yesterday i was offered what i would consider the ideal venue.
the club has been at the current place for 25 years, comes with full inventory, liquor license, venue license, got a large outside patio where people can smoke & drink, full bar, full kitchen (!), large stage for shows. about 3000 sf of inside space. the current owner has simply been burned out and wants to retire. now i have run my own bar back in germany and i'm friends with several club owners back home, so i know the business side of it, but it would be great if i could pick someone's brain who has run a bar/club here in the US. i'm sure there'll be quite a few differences. if you know anything about the club/bar business, please PM me so i can annoy you with lots of questions! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andy |
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| rick 918-S |
May 2 2008, 01:02 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,826 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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My Dad and I had a bar biz when I was 18. The rowdiest place in town 3.2 joint. There were 8 fights in 5 hours, started before noon one Sunday. I was working by myself...
Great way to make a small fortune.... out of a big one. |
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| Trevorg7 |
May 2 2008, 01:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,242 Joined: 7-December 04 From: Highland Village, TX Member No.: 3,241 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Andy - no personal experience but I can put you in touch with a guy who owns Woody Zips in SF.
Let me know. T |
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| SirAndy |
May 2 2008, 01:18 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,945 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ May 2 2008, 11:02 AM)  My Dad and I had a bar biz when I was 18. The rowdiest place in town 3.2 joint. There were 8 fights in 5 hours, started before noon one Sunday. I was working by myself... Great way to make a small fortune.... out of a big one. naaa, no fighting over here, we're all civilized in kalifornia! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) i'm not interested in remodeling every month ... i know you can make money with these places, all you have to do is find your "niche" and oakland has been missing a nice underground/punk/biker club for a while now. the next best thing is in san francisco and people from the east bay are very hesitant to go over the bridge to get drunk. i know the place would draw a good sized crowd every night and be packed for shows ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy |
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| Danny_Ocean |
May 2 2008, 01:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Fort Lauderdale, FL Member No.: 7,846 Region Association: South East States |
Last time I checked, a liquor license in CA cost more than the most expensive Porsche...is the liquor license included in the sale/transfer?
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| rick 918-S |
May 2 2008, 01:36 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,826 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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Oh ya, You'll make money. Rule the place like your kingdom. Watch your employees like a hawk. A good bar tender can skim an easy 100.00 a night from the profits. Food theft is always an issue then there's spoilage. Food business is a real science. You can do it though. That would be a cool place! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
And Let me know when you take over. My kid would love to book a gig there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tunez.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rock_band.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
May 2 2008, 01:40 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,945 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Danny_Ocean @ May 2 2008, 11:35 AM) Last time I checked, a liquor license in CA cost more than the most expensive Porsche...is the liquor license included in the sale/transfer? yes! all included ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) wouldn't touch it otherwise as oakland does not issue any new liquor licenses anymore. the only way to get one is to take an existing one over or if one goes back to the pool after a place closed down. and the waiting list for that is looooong ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| Danny_Ocean |
May 2 2008, 01:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Fort Lauderdale, FL Member No.: 7,846 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 2 2008, 03:40 PM) ...oakland does not issue any new liquor licenses anymore. the only way to get one is to take an existing one over or if one goes back to the pool after a place closed down. and the waiting list for that is looooong ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy So, screw the club idea. Buy the place and obtain a copy of the Liquor License waiting list. Start at the bottom and work your way up. Highest bidder gets the liquor license. Take your proft and retire on a small island in Polynesia. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
May 2 2008, 01:58 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,945 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Danny_Ocean @ May 2 2008, 11:48 AM) So, screw the club idea. Buy the place and obtain a copy of the Liquor License waiting list. Start at the bottom and work your way up. Highest bidder gets the liquor license. Take your proft and retire on a small island in Polynesia. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) i like the way you think ... |
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| ericread |
May 2 2008, 02:01 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
In order to keep this on topic... Did I hear "Free Beer for all 914 Owners!!!"
I'm there... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) |
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| McMark |
May 2 2008, 02:11 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE oakland does not issue any new liquor licenses anymore Kind of right, CALIFORNIA does not issue any new liquor licenses. Allison and I have a pet dream of opening a pub in Napa. But that's just beer/wine, not big deal. |
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| purple |
May 2 2008, 02:25 PM
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Pigeon feeders attract me Group: Members Posts: 938 Joined: 24-July 07 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 7,942 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(McMark @ May 2 2008, 03:11 PM) QUOTE oakland does not issue any new liquor licenses anymore Kind of right, CALIFORNIA does not issue any new liquor licenses. Allison and I have a pet dream of opening a pub in Napa. But that's just beer/wine, not big deal. WTF is wrong with california? dont the legislators have some other more pressing matters than restricting the flow of booze? ohhhhh, like hmmmm, that little problem of illegal immigration? I remember when prop 249 was struck down by a judge even though it was voted in on a landslide.... that's when we were living there. prop 249 (or was it 247?) was a proposal to not give any freebies to illegals. then lois capps got elected to her dearly departed husband's seat in congress because she was his wife. god forbid someone who knows wtf is going on gets elected.. oh yeah, you dont need to know shit to be a politician, how dumb of me to forget. maybe i'm just bitter... no more cali for me. it's got great weather and chicks, the lawmakers make that state unbearable anymore. that club sounds badass though andy! good idea! |
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| ConeDodger |
May 2 2008, 02:27 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,853 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Rick,
You should explain to Andy that Minnesota is a dry on Sunday state that differentiates between beer and what we used to call squah piss which is the 3.2% alcohol beer. No on-sale on Sunday or after 10pm at night. People in Minneapolis and I would imagine Duluth would make a 'sconi pop' run to Wisconsin on Sunday to get real beer. Also if your bar was up there on the iron range they fist fight with there mothers over who is going to do the dishes. So five fights in one day is probably pretty good... My brothers had a brawl outside the ice house over who actually pulled in a 12# walleye one winter. Laughed there heads off when they were done... Go Andy!!! I can see the neon now! The 914Club! That would probably have someones underwear in a twist!!! |
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| pin31 |
May 2 2008, 02:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 398 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Newport, Rhode Island Member No.: 7,492 Region Association: North East States |
be careful.......
Most bar/restaurant owners I know end up burnt out and alcoholics. |
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| SirAndy |
May 2 2008, 02:40 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,945 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(pin31 @ May 2 2008, 12:37 PM) Most bar/restaurant owners I know end up burnt out and alcoholics. and? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| pin31 |
May 2 2008, 02:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 398 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Newport, Rhode Island Member No.: 7,492 Region Association: North East States |
All kidding aside...it happened to one of my closest friends growing up and he lost it all (family, health, money etc..)...very sad and sometimes tough to avoid.
Sounds cool though, because I play in a band I always wanted to have a cool venue to call my own. |
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| KaptKaos |
May 2 2008, 03:11 PM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ May 2 2008, 12:27 PM) Rick, You should explain to Andy that Minnesota is a dry on Sunday state that differentiates between beer and what we used to call squah piss which is the 3.2% alcohol beer. No on-sale on Sunday or after 10pm at night. People in Minneapolis and I would imagine Duluth would make a 'sconi pop' run to Wisconsin on Sunday to get real beer. Also if your bar was up there on the iron range they fist fight with there mothers over who is going to do the dishes. So five fights in one day is probably pretty good... My brothers had a brawl outside the ice house over who actually pulled in a 12# walleye one winter. Laughed there heads off when they were done... Go Andy!!! I can see the neon now! The 914Club! That would probably have someones underwear in a twist!!! Don't forget to get some cheese curds in Wisco. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) |
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| PeeGreen 914 |
May 2 2008, 03:14 PM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I bartended for a club for many years here in Seattle. They can make great money, but they can be a pain in the ass too. The owner of ours ended up closing after only 3 years as it was too much of a headache. He ended up just going to a restaurant that made half what the club did.
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| MartyYeoman |
May 2 2008, 03:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,527 Joined: 19-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 839 Region Association: Northern California
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But how's the parking? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)
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| SirAndy |
May 2 2008, 03:22 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,945 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Marty Yeoman @ May 2 2008, 01:15 PM) But how's the parking? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) no parking lot but *plenty* of street parking ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif) Andy |
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