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> The Project Anklebiter Build Thread., 8/29 Lid latches and glamor shots...
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post May 21 2010, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(MDG @ May 21 2010, 02:18 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Like I said, Mad Scientist. This is actually the apparatus that chanels the lightning strike into creating life . . ..

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Just grab some jumper cables and you are ready to go!
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post May 21 2010, 05:58 PM
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I dunno...don't want to question your care in aligning things, but there are a couple photos that make it look like the rear structure is not aligned with the center axis of the front of the car. See how the rear looks to be too far to the passenger side in this photo? Maybe its the camera angle? Otherwise (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)
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post May 21 2010, 07:57 PM
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Jeff, I think it is just your eye as he has the triangle on the right side but not yet on the drivers side tricking your eye.
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post May 21 2010, 07:59 PM
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does this look any better jeff?
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the camera angle is off a little to my eye, but i see what your talking about-
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post May 21 2010, 09:04 PM
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Trust me, it is dead on, that second main tube literally took 2 hours to place. It's funny I looked back through the pictures and they are all a little to the left, my inner compass must be a couple degrees off!
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post May 21 2010, 09:10 PM
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We know Dana wouldn't build something crooked. You can see the shot is at an angle... Look at the bump hoops compared to the windshield frame and mirrors.

Dana, you never cease to amaze me. The only thing I'm worried about is you'll keep doing crazier things and it's not going to make it back on the road soon enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post May 23 2010, 10:41 AM
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What I don't see in the pic is the car center line scribed/marked on the floor.
I've been doing dimensioning all my professional life and that is where I would start.

Take a couple hours and establish the center line of the car ( that will take some doing), drop it down to the floor, then extend it out past the end of your work using a straight edge, string, wire, fishing line, yada. Be prepared to go back and check/realign the car if it *might* have moved.

Taking the possible camera angulation into account, it still looks off to the right per my eyeball.

My attempt to help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post May 23 2010, 10:49 AM
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With the help of the good doctor I rebuilt my tranny yesterday.
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This is the point where you hope the Doc knows what he is doing because I was sure lost!
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And back in the car the same day it was pulled, not a bad turnaround!
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Thanks again to Dr. Evil, it was an awesome workshop and I learned a ton.
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post May 23 2010, 10:57 AM
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JP, I built a jig to locate the rear suspension and worked off of that for the location rather than a C/L because I was designing around the engine rather than off of blueprints. Rather than taking measurements off of the car to make a c/l I took measurements off of the car to make the cage, both techniques work to make a straight cage. Believe me, I am a student of architecture, I know how to measure things and I have quintuple checked with an actual measuring device and it is right on, the wheels on the other hand are not aligned so they do make things look a little wonky.
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post May 23 2010, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(plymouth37 @ May 23 2010, 09:57 AM) *

JP, I built a jig to locate the rear suspension and worked off of that for the location rather than a C/L because I was designing around the engine rather than off of blueprints. Rather than taking measurements off of the car to make a c/l I took measurements off of the car to make the cage, both techniques work to make a straight cage. Believe me, I am a student of architecture, I know how to measure things and I have quintuple checked with an actual measuring device and it is right on, the wheels on the other hand are not aligned so they do make things look a little wonky.


Yeah, & I'm one of the dritbags that transform your pretty pictures into reality and I know my biddness. Jigging off an unknown surface location can cause you all kinds of grief. You can't even think in 3 dimensions until you build an axis system.

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I bet you looked at this stuff and went, "Hmmm, if I omit all this junk I could save another 32lbs!!"

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post May 23 2010, 12:59 PM
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This is toooo funny. BTW, I've been following this thread for some time, and I gotta say I'm lovin it, I really like the cleanliness of your shop, and your attention to detail. The tower of Pisa had an architect too, it might have worked had the masons/dirtbags been listened to, they knew it didn't belong there. JP is just sayin' its almost impossible to pick points out of space w/out a proper foundation. You need to have solid a datum line to start from (not the car) in order to build correct fixtures (PC) from.
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post May 23 2010, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ May 23 2010, 11:38 AM) *

Jigging off an unknown surface location can cause you all kinds of grief. You can't even think in 3 dimensions until you build an axis system.


QUOTE(rsrguy3 @ May 23 2010, 11:59 AM) *

JP is just sayin' its almost impossible to pick points out of space w/out a proper foundation. You need to have solid a datum line to start from (not the car) in order to build correct fixtures (PC) from.


That is why I built a jig while the car was in one piece then removed the back half of the car around the jig, no datum, axis, points out of space, whatever, the suspension points were never lost in the process, I really don't see how there is a problem here.
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post May 23 2010, 03:14 PM
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So, at this point in the build, line it all up, create a centerline on the floor and double check...seems like a reasonable double check to make. You know what is kinda cool to use for this is a laser level.
The little ones that look like a telescope can project a line wherever you point it...so you can set up a few (they are cheap at Home Depot) and have a few straight lines to measure from...and they look cool at night.

One thing I wonder is how much things change as you weld...a mm here a mm there...

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post May 23 2010, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(MDG @ May 23 2010, 11:48 AM) *

I bet you looked at this stuff and went, "Hmmm, if I omit all this junk I could save another 32lbs!!"

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Well if I quadruple my redline and go direct drive... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I wonder if it will start in 5th, would a 1-speed be lighter?
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I didn't remove the jigs until everything was totally welded and cooled and it was spot on, welding tweaks are a bitch and I was keeping an eye out for them.
There is a lot of good advise on this page so taking that in I drew a c/l with a projecting laser level and a plumb bob, the left suspension points are dead on, the right are in by 1/32 and the transaxle mounts are to the left by 1/16. I think I am okay with that.
I will pick out a few more points over the next hour of so just to be sure everything is beyond reproach.
Thanks for the help double checking that everything is okay!
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post May 23 2010, 04:01 PM
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When it turns better one way than the other it will make you wonder. Or why it needs more air in the right rear that the left rear to set straight. Or when it's wet you get used to it always going to the left when you get on the brakes hard. A guy can get used to all these things. It will probably be just as straight as any other car with a tube frame.
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post May 23 2010, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(charliew @ May 23 2010, 03:01 PM) *

When it turns better one way than the other it will make you wonder. Or why it needs more air in the right rear that the left rear to set straight. Or when it's wet you get used to it always going to the left when you get on the brakes hard. A guy can get used to all these things. It will probably be just as straight as any other car with a tube frame.


Worst case I can circle track it, all left turns baby! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 23 2010, 08:29 PM
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Dana, you clearly do not know what you are doing on your car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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He can always fall back on 914 tranny rebuilding in the denver area.
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