My Official Project thread, Shakedown Driving Options

[RiqueMar]

Back tracking a little, as I promised myself I wouldn't update this until the engine was in.... So i'm going to rewind a bit and explain the process leading up to the engine actually getting in the car.....

See as I wanted to get all the components ready, I made sure to first clean the transmission. This took about 2-3 hours of hardcore scrubbing with brushes, engine cleaner, and rags. Though it still has an aged look, all the 'gunk' is removed from the transmission. Brents (wertygrog) came over the same day I was doing this and look at me in shock with the amount of filth I was covered in.

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On Monday my Dad and I effectively took most of the the day off, and finally installed the clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel. Compliments to this as you may have read earlier in the thread, where a new pilot bearing, new rear main seal, and cleaning of the area behind the flywheel, and in a 'while we are here' move, we ended up installing a high torque starter... why not, right?

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At this point, the engine was just about ready to go in, when we realized we had to install the Jwest shift linkage kit. Important note: If you have a stock /6 motor mount, this requires a bit of alignment and creativity.

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[eric9144]

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Getting close!!

[RiqueMar]

With the Jwest kit installed, and the engine below the car, we almost forgot about the fan belt, it was here that caused a bit of delay.

Important part: Unfortunately for me, the stud coming out of my original alternator had only 3-4 'spacer rings' on it for mounting the belt 'pulley'. Whoever installed this previously while the engine was in the car must have had one hell of a time, because the stud was nearly stripped. YOU MUST HAVE 6 RINGS ON THE STUD AT ALL TIMES.

This setback forced me to 'update' my alternator. I had to take the entire fan component off a 3.0 SC (this had the 'newer style' stud, with an allen bolt in the center for better control), that we have sitting around, disassemble the mount, pop off the fan, remove the cone, disassemble my original, rewire the new alternator and re-assemble everything. Rather annoying when you have your engine ready to go into the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

However, the silver lining of all this was that the 3.0 alternator was recently rebuilt. Nice.

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[RiqueMar]

Finally, with the alternator installed, pulley on, and starter on, it was time for the engine to go in the car, right after a quick photo for posterity.

I made sure to put the bolt facing down, I think it's easier to access it and take off the nut if you should need to drop the engine. As for the rear mounting portion, we added new 911 style mounts.

It was actually rather easy to get the /6 in. Using the stock mount, you do not have to take off any sheet metal during your installation.

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[Socalandy]

your almost ready for RRC. Looks great!!!

I still have your shirt

[RiqueMar]

Now that the engine is in, I think i've 'turned the corner' and the project is going to go much faster.

One of my favorite things to do on this project has been to find components of the car that look horrible, torn apart, essentially gone, and bring them back to life. Today, I concentrated on a set of Factory /6 heater flapper boxes I found in storage.

After a bath in the parts cleaner, I pulled them out to discover that while one was alright, the other was in pretty bad shape, having been welded together at one point, the lever bent, and the 'top' coming off.




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[RiqueMar]

It's time to move on to 'fun stuff'! Like braided lines. I think for now, I'm going to route the oil lines almost as a stock /6, with the exception of adding the thermostat (not sure which one yet). Once I have the car on the road, I'l either add a GT style cooler, or a fan cooler near the transmission. Any opinions on either?

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[AZ914]

Looks great Rique! The up front cooler is probably the preferred method, especially if you are going to track the car. Unfortunately you need to plumb all the way up front and lose some of your front trunk. If its just a street ride, you can probably get by with the fan mounted cooler in the back. That is what I'm going to do.
If for some reason it doesn't work out, you only have a few bolt holes in your trunk to deal with.

[PeeGreen 914]

Great work so far. Keep it up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[AZ914]

Looks great Rique! The up front cooler is probably the preferred method, especially if you are going to track the car. Unfortunately you need to plumb all the way up front and lose some of your front trunk. If its just a street ride, you can probably get by with the fan mounted cooler in the back. That is what I'm going to do.
If for some reason it doesn't work out, you only have a few bolt holes in your trunk to deal with.

I'm quoting my own post! Thinking more about it, you have basically created a GT, which would have the cooler up front. Are you doing a cage, race seats, etc?

[RiqueMar]

I'm quoting my own post! Thinking more about it, you have basically created a GT, which would have the cooler up front. Are you doing a cage, race seats, etc?

I'm thinking more along the line of a 'sport' package. I mean, I have the proper upgrades to do some occasional AX and such, but it's certainly not a race car, just stuff I like that kept the originality of the car while still being 'different'.

No cage for me, but I did come across a real Konig seat for $100! Now I just need to find a twin for it, or sell it and get a nice set of seats.

My only challenge as I see it with placing the cooler up front is modifying the front valence, as I really like the look of the LE type. However, this is all in the future, as for right now, I'm just going to run the stock cooler on board the engine, as it seems to be 'safe' for engines under 3.0. Any thoughts on this? It seems to be what I keep coming back to on other peoples builds.

[AZ914]

I'm thinking more along the line of a 'sport' package. I mean, I have the proper upgrades to do some occasional AX and such, but it's certainly not a race car, just stuff I like that kept the originality of the car while still being 'different'.

No cage for me, but I did come across a real Konig seat for $100! Now I just need to find a twin for it, or sell it and get a nice set of seats.

My only challenge as I see it with placing the cooler up front is modifying the front valence, as I really like the look of the LE type. However, this is all in the future, as for right now, I'm just going to run the stock cooler on board the engine, as it seems to be 'safe' for engines under 3.0. Any thoughts on this? It seems to be what I keep coming back to on other peoples builds.

I've heard that 2.4 and lower do not require a cooler, but I guess it really depends on where you live, how you drive, etc. Obviously you can just monitor the temps and get a cooler if it looks like you need it.

[mepstein]

I'm quoting my own post! Thinking more about it, you have basically created a GT, which would have the cooler up front. Are you doing a cage, race seats, etc?

I'm thinking more along the line of a 'sport' package. I mean, I have the proper upgrades to do some occasional AX and such, but it's certainly not a race car, just stuff I like that kept the originality of the car while still being 'different'.

No cage for me, but I did come across a real Konig seat for $100! Now I just need to find a twin for it, or sell it and get a nice set of seats.

My only challenge as I see it with placing the cooler up front is modifying the front valence, as I really like the look of the LE type. However, this is all in the future, as for right now, I'm just going to run the stock cooler on board the engine, as it seems to be 'safe' for engines under 3.0. Any thoughts on this? It seems to be what I keep coming back to on other peoples builds.

I've read up a lot on the oil cooler debate and there is no right answer for all situations. Your location, driving style, transmission ratios, shift points, city vs. highway, long hills, competition use, finances and certainly engine all come into play. Some engines run hotter than others no matter what the size. Some people rev their engines and work them harder.

My thought is to take your worst case scenario and build for that. Mine is a sunny 95 degree day, 10 mile traffic jam that is moving at 0-5 mph for 3+ hours.
It's happened to me before so that’s what I'm planning for.

To play it safe, I'll use the oil cooler on the engine, a GT style front oil cooler, GT front valance, thermostat, stock steel front bumper, GT hard lines, probably enlarge the holes behind the bumper, fiberglass GT shroud, hot air exhaust under car and probably an electric fan or 2 that kicks on manual or auto for slow moving traffic. I'll also test the oil temp sensor and gauge to make sure it's calibrated correctly.

[RiqueMar]

I've read up a lot on the oil cooler debate and there is no right answer for all situations. Your location, driving style, transmission ratios, shift points, city vs. highway, long hills, competition use, finances and certainly engine all come into play. Some engines run hotter than others no matter what the size. Some people rev their engines and work them harder.

My thought is to take your worst case scenario and build for that. Mine is a sunny 95 degree day, 10 mile traffic jam that is moving at 0-5 mph for 3+ hours.
It's happened to me before so that’s what I'm planning for.

To play it safe, I'll use the oil cooler on the engine, a GT style front oil cooler, GT front valance, thermostat, stock steel front bumper, GT hard lines, probably enlarge the holes behind the bumper, fiberglass GT shroud, hot air exhaust under car and probably an electric fan or 2 that kicks on manual or auto for slow moving traffic. I'll also test the oil temp sensor and gauge to make sure it's calibrated correctly.

The sad thing is, I'm probably just spinning my wheels thinking about alternatives, and will end up doing the front mounted cooler.

I had a similar instance last month, Mark. I was heading to Vegas, and prior to the trip I was trying to get my car done, with my fall-back being the 3.6 if the 2.9 wasn't finished. Turned out, that I ended up taking the Wagon as some friends needed a ride, but thats not the important part of the story. Somewhere North-East of Riverside, we hit traffic for about an hour, with temperatures at around 105, and I remember thinking to myself, "Wow, I'm gonna need a cooler".

I'm fairly certain that the guy who was running this engine before me (in a 911) had an additional cooler set-up, because the oil line was modified to bend around the back of the engine.


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[mepstein]

My epiphany was driving up to VT and seeing a 10 mile backup in the other direction. It made me remember all the times I've been caught in a jam. Guys talk about running a 3.2 with no extra cooling but my luck doesn't work that way.

[SLITS]

That oil line "bent around the back of the engine" is the stock 911 setup. Think about it!

It didn't go to a cooler .... it went to the oil tank.

[RiqueMar]

That oil line "bent around the back of the engine" is the stock 911 setup. Think about it!

It didn't go to a cooler .... it went to the oil tank.

Hmm, I always thought it went similar to a /6 on a 911, just without the bend next to the cooler. But then again, I was basing that off of the 3.2 I have on a stand here in the shop.

[SLITS]

when I said think about it, I meant for you to realize that the engine installed in a 911 is opposite a /6.

I modified the line by cutting it at the top of the hoop, soldering a fitting on to run to the cooler that I have in the rear trunk. Keeps the oil line away from the heat exchangers.

[RiqueMar]

Now I'm confused, because I just checked on the SC outside, and the oil line is different than the one originally on my engine. I was under the impression that this was the stock setup on a 911, which is similar to a 914, only without the 90 degree bend at the end below the oil tank...

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Whereas the following picture is of the line that was connected to my engine when I got it, it bends and exits under the flywheel and has a 90 turn next to the onboard oil cooler.



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[wertygrog]

Looks good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Finish that bad boy up already!! I can't wait to go for a ride. It'll motivate me to install the 2.7L in Bluetiful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)