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> after 2 yrs I was publically called out by Kanna Motorsports, moving out of track car pix thread to keep that one clean
byndbad914
post Nov 13 2008, 03:00 PM
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Here is what they posted regarding an issue I mentioned with their junk 2 yrs ago in the track car pix area.

QUOTE(kanna @ Nov 13 2008, 07:26 AM) *

The following is a copy of a PM sent to this poster....
It aggravates me when a single person posts unwarranted comments.
As I stated in my PM ....let's see some pictures.

After viewing a post that you made, I would like to respond to your accusations of our 935 control arm breaking. A review of our records show no sale of a 935 system shipped to you. If in fact if you did purchase one of our systems, you would have our telephone number which you obviously never used.
Every single 935 system is check on an actual chassis for fitment prior to shipment, so your claim of it not fitting leads me to believe this is classic case of not following directions.
There are over 40 of our 935 systems installed and in use, and not one, to my knowledge has failed due to material or fabrication.
I fail to see any pictures of this supposed failure anywhere on the 914 world site, which leads me to wonder if you in fact did some "backyard" engineering and don't want anyone to see the facts, and just point the finger at us.
I stand behind every item that I make, if there is a problem it would have been corrected if you had put as much effort in picking up a phone as you do slandering people.

QUOTE(byndbad914 @ Jan 3 2007, 12:32 PM) *

Wanted to get a shot at Willow Springs before leaving for Colorado, but the new 935-style lower arms I bought from Kanna Motorsports snapped in two with only 1/3 of a lap down when I went out last month (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) That 30 seconds of track time cost me about a grand and, of course, Kanna won't respond to my email asking them WTF they would like to do about it.

Don't buy Kanna Motorsports stuff PERIOD. A couple other items I got required additional machining as well to make them right btw.

But here it is when I picked it up at the chassis shop.
(I snipped all the pix of the car to save space here)



and here was my reply to them, just so everyone knows exactly what is going on. Additionally, as many of you already know about my car, it was professionally built and is in no way a "backyard" car.

took me awhile to find the thread they were talking about having my post. I will quote my response:
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First and foremost this happened 2 yrs ago, so it's been a loooonnnngggg time ago. Secondly, I called a number of times after it happened, left messages and even emailed you jackasses.

Thirdly, and more importantly, you sold me the lower control arm piece only (and some upper strut mounts which also needed to be remachined BTW), but it was a "custom" piece you had made for someone else, then they apparently didn't take it and you offered it to me. It was custom because you had made an adjustable sleeve so that you didn't have to unbolt the arm to adjust camber. That sleeve piece that was made had a 3/4" outside thread and a 5/8" inside thread.. which means there was less than 1/8" of material holding that arm together in tension and I didn't catch that when the car was built. As I entered turn 5 at Willow Springs, on the first lap, maiden voyage of the car that custom piece you had made tensile failed, snapped in half, causing the front tire to be shoved back into my car, destroying a brand new Hoosier, busting my fiberglass rocker bodywork, etc. That was a $1000 day for me between new tire, track fees, round trip gas for 30 seconds of track time, and damage to my car.

Don't you fucking dare fire at me after 2yrs of hearing nothing from you - after waiting to hear from you for quite awhile and hearing nothing I made that post to let others know to stay away. This failure happened in December of 2006! I left no less than five phone message, and fired a couple emails as well. It was not installed improperly or any thing like that. In fact, if I search around my garage I think I still have the failed part and I would have been happy to take a photo to show you but your attitude right out of the hole is BS and I am thru with you. Or you can cut me a check for $1000 and we will call it even.

In addition after thinking about this a bit and stewing even more (trust me, this was the worst track day of my life to date and a reeeeaaaaal sore spot) I should point out the camber/caster upper strut mounts were shit as well. There are four bolts that hold the two pieces together - one of them was drilled far enough off center you couldn't get the fourth bolt in - they did of course and the threads had clearly dug into the aluminum part while they forced it in place. AJ just ended up hacking that part a bit, supporting it with the frame and to this day I just run 3 bolts as everything is now in compression and shear friction.

After AJ cut the arm to reset the length and we removed his shit ass adjuster piece, I haven't had a single issue with the arm. I suspect if you only use their non-sleeved, single adjustable part you may not have any issues, as that is essentially what I have now. I should have known better than to take custom pieces that were refused by a previous customer.

Just understand their level of craftsmanship is faaaarrrrr and away more backyard than anything on my car. At the time I purchased these parts I had more money than time and didn't care to machine them myself when I could just buy them for a good price (I have long since moved on from machining parts when I became a professional engineer). However, I got what I paid for apparently.

Since it has been 2 yrs I may or may not still have that shit piece in my garage and will look around for it and post a pic of that POS so everyone on this forum can see what a POS that part was. Had this prick answered no less than 5 voicemails including one I left driving home after spending 3hrs on the track trying to get this car on the trailer, and a couple emails I also sent, this would have never happened and would not have been public.

There is your Kanna customer service... ship you crap shit, you can leave them a bunch of messages, etc, after it fails immediately, then wait 2 yrs so you might not have the offending part (I have moved twice since including a new state so probably why he can't figure out the order which is almost 3 yrs ago now), come from outta nowhere... again, wait for it.... AFTER 2 YEARS... and accuse you of never having ordered or used their parts, blah blah.

You may have wanted to send me a more polite, inquisitive email before going public jackass - you only dig yourself a deeper hole. I will take some pix of the shit upper pieces and the raw alum showing in the slots where we had to go in and make clearance so the threaded fasteners would actually slide in the slots. I essentially rely on the lower arms for all of my caster and most of my camber adjustments after having to just hard mount your shit pieces.

You have managed to get me boiling about something I have tried to forget for 2 fricken years now.
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byndbad914   after 2 yrs I was publically called out by Kanna Motorsports   Nov 13 2008, 03:00 PM
byndbad914   so fired up I took an hour off work, ran home and ...   Nov 13 2008, 05:22 PM
byndbad914   don't have to be an engineer to know you shoul...   Nov 13 2008, 05:26 PM
byndbad914   BTW it has been so long I don't have your phon...   Nov 13 2008, 06:08 PM
byndbad914   now for their shitty upper mounts - AJ and I final...   Nov 13 2008, 06:11 PM
byndbad914   bit better at showing how the threads had dug in w...   Nov 13 2008, 06:13 PM
byndbad914   notice how well the tolerances are held on thread ...   Nov 13 2008, 06:15 PM
byndbad914   the passenger side, again bolt doesn't line up...   Nov 13 2008, 06:16 PM
byndbad914   forgot, another shot of the bitchin' custom do...   Nov 13 2008, 06:17 PM
byndbad914   here is the arm after I cut it in half, ordered tw...   Nov 13 2008, 06:20 PM
byndbad914   On the way back to work I realized I forgot to sna...   Nov 13 2008, 06:23 PM
So.Cal.914   Something Vexes thee? :D I looked at your pic...   Nov 13 2008, 07:03 PM
SirAndy   I would not have trusted those parts to hold up m...   Nov 14 2008, 01:21 PM
URY914   :popcorn: I love this kind of thread..... :stir: ...   Nov 13 2008, 07:10 PM
byndbad914   yeah, I am beyond pissed right now. This has been...   Nov 13 2008, 07:29 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   My favorite part of the whole thing is how he l...   Nov 13 2008, 07:55 PM
biggy72   So these were custom parts and more people aren...   Nov 13 2008, 07:46 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Wow.... just wow... :blink: I hate it when peopl...   Nov 13 2008, 07:48 PM
byndbad914   dude, these guys makes AA look like they deserve a...   Nov 13 2008, 08:13 PM
jd74914   This may have been the only set ever made this wa...   Nov 13 2008, 09:25 PM
plymouth37   Wow, best comeback ever! You are lucky their s...   Nov 13 2008, 08:31 PM
byndbad914   Dana... ya think! :lol: So how it would work,...   Nov 13 2008, 09:58 PM
biggy72   So you're telling me that looking at the part ...   Nov 13 2008, 10:50 PM
byndbad914   I discussed that earlier in the thread... I didn...   Nov 13 2008, 11:17 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I discussed that earlier in the thread... I didn...   Nov 14 2008, 12:28 AM
jhadler   You are 100% correct in that assumtion. If you bu...   Nov 14 2008, 11:44 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Not that I think Tim doesn't have a valid poi...   Nov 14 2008, 06:30 PM
byndbad914   waiting to get confirmation from a fellow racer on...   Nov 14 2008, 12:37 AM
sean_v8_914   wow, that is thin. if you calc the diff OD to ID c...   Nov 14 2008, 10:38 AM
byndbad914   Sean - I have a destroked 400 Chevy combo that I u...   Nov 14 2008, 12:31 PM
byndbad914   Interesting to see that after over 24hrs since his...   Nov 14 2008, 02:31 PM
byndbad914   I am the kind of guy that tends to brush himself o...   Nov 14 2008, 06:50 PM
Porcharu   That just sucks. I am not a real engineer but I d...   Nov 18 2008, 11:57 PM
byndbad914   Given the fact those parts were going to fail, I t...   Nov 19 2008, 06:38 PM
Rob Ways   Geez! This story is painful to read. How would...   Nov 23 2008, 08:51 AM
naro914   Just fyi,....www.kannamotorsports.com is no longer...   Nov 25 2008, 08:15 PM
byndbad914   yeah, I have noticed that site domain is down now....   Nov 25 2008, 11:18 PM
CliffBraun   yeah, I have noticed that site domain is down now...   Nov 26 2008, 03:15 AM
byndbad914   To be totally honest that name doesn't ring an...   Nov 26 2008, 03:41 AM
CliffBraun   To be totally honest that name doesn't ring a...   Nov 26 2008, 03:50 AM
byndbad914   Well, the contact info for kanna as of 2004 is NC...   Nov 26 2008, 04:00 AM
CliffBraun   [quote name='CliffBraun' post='1105651' date='Nov...   Nov 26 2008, 01:42 PM
Mikey914   I think you only have 2 yrs on property damage for...   Nov 29 2008, 01:08 PM
byndbad914   yeah, it has definitely been too long to bring a s...   Nov 29 2008, 03:33 PM
naro914   If it's Kevin, I know him pretty well actually...   Nov 29 2008, 08:24 PM
byndbad914   If it's Kevin, I know him pretty well actuall...   Nov 30 2008, 01:28 PM
r_towle   [quote name='naro914' post='1106729...   Dec 1 2008, 07:27 PM
ConeDodger   Looking at that part, I would call the police and ...   Nov 30 2008, 12:28 PM
charliew   I'm not a me but my youngest son is. The educa...   Jan 16 2009, 11:09 AM
byndbad914   actually even if you had threaded the sleeve into ...   Jan 17 2009, 12:58 AM


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