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Starting a 1971 IMSA 914 Restoration, A privateer run 914 with Sebring and Daytona history |
FourBlades |
Nov 13 2010, 09:04 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
......I think you have a great project there....and properly restored would be a welcome sight in vintage racing, which you would enjoy immensely....side note, I once looked for a formula super vee ( air cooled) which was in original condition., never found one. What you have found in that 914-4 is a diamond in the rough., and may well turn out to be valuable if you restore it properly. I would say that you should not do a "down and dirty" or "cheap" restoration. Take your time and do it properly. It could be way more valuable, restored, than you could imigine. Murray, I agree with you completely. Plan to do it right the first time while keeping it period correct. Thanks...John |
McMark |
Nov 13 2010, 11:58 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
IMHO, just like a 914/6 it comes down to the VIN number. If you've got a proven race history, then I think as long as you rebuild it with the original bodywork, original paint scheme, etc you can't go wrong. There is obviously a lot of value and beauty in a 'survivor', but some cars just aren't in good enough condition to fill that role. For those cars that aren't 'survivors' a restoration is a reasonable solution.
I think you're doing great stuff here, and I can't wait to see the project evolve. |
ME733 |
Nov 14 2010, 02:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 842 Joined: 25-June 08 From: Atlanta Ga. Member No.: 9,209 Region Association: South East States |
......I think you have a great project there....and properly restored would be a welcome sight in vintage racing, which you would enjoy immensely....side note, I once looked for a formula super vee ( air cooled) which was in original condition., never found one. What you have found in that 914-4 is a diamond in the rough., and may well turn out to be valuable if you restore it properly. I would say that you should not do a "down and dirty" or "cheap" restoration. Take your time and do it properly. It could be way more valuable, restored, than you could imigine. Murray, I agree with you completely. Plan to do it right the first time while keeping it period correct. Thanks...John Another thought,...get and collect every possable(historical) period photograph you can...of the car...Photograph all the original sponsors art work , decals, and lettering on the body panels...photograph the restoration. clean and reuse the major bits and pieces..(example)..The fuel cell can be rebuilt as new. I look forward to watching you restoration progress. .....Murray. |
URY914 |
Nov 14 2010, 05:52 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 124,600 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
This car is more of a preservation not a true restoration. Which is probably the right thing to do.
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ChrisFoley |
Nov 14 2010, 06:06 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,975 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
If the car had won races or a championship, or was piloted by a notable driver, I would say the only choice would be to do a precise restoration to its former condition as raced.
In this case I think the restoration only needs to be period correct and accurate from an external visual perspective. A preservation would be to repair/retain as many original components as possible without alteration. I don't see doing it this way as adding value to this car. No one remembers the car except as an also ran. |
carr914 |
Nov 15 2010, 06:44 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 122,978 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
John, I'm glad your at work on this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) , can't wait til I see it again.
I wish I could have kept it, but I don't have the Mad Skills that you have, so it is in the right place. I think my friend over in New Smynra still has the Gotti's that I used to have that I know came off a different IMSA 914-6 And yes, the Jewelry store was a sponsor. John has a bunch of pictures ( & Logbook) of the car in period ( Would always like more) |
stownsen914 |
Nov 15 2010, 11:08 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 933 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
Here is some motivation, I finished one of my IMSA GTU cars (the Meaney/ Hendricks 914) and passed tech! I am ready to race it next spring! Glenn, Very nice that you have Hendricks' old car. He started racing it when I was a teenager tagging along with my parents at PCA events. I remember when Ray brought that car to a Pocono driver's ed event to shake it down. Scott |
racerbvd |
Nov 15 2010, 01:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,369 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Sunny FL. Member No.: 226 Region Association: None |
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FourBlades |
Nov 15 2010, 02:13 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Byron. The bar is kind of rusty, I will post some pictures and see if people think it is still usable. The arms and ends are good, just the bar. I think I saw that yellow car on craigslist. I missed those wheels, it looked like there were few good parts on that car. I have some period gottis but they are maybe too flashy looking. John |
racerbvd |
Nov 15 2010, 02:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,369 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Sunny FL. Member No.: 226 Region Association: None |
Thanks Byron. The bar is kind of rusty, I will post some pictures and see if people think it is still usable. The arms and ends are good, just the bar. I think I saw that yellow car on craigslist. I missed those wheels, it looked like there were few good parts on that car. I have some period gottis but they are maybe too flashy looking. John I have used those wheels on a few rollers over the years, go back to when I was going to back date another 911 I had but not correct for my 71 Toad Hall (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .. I was glad to see it go, as I was ready to have a top welded on (I had an extra) and start looking for 73 RSR body parts.. |
carr914 |
Nov 15 2010, 06:22 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 122,978 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
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gms |
Nov 15 2010, 09:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,708 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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stownsen914 |
Nov 16 2010, 05:28 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 933 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
Here is the Gottis that my IMSA car came with Those are the wheels I remember from that car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
gms |
Nov 16 2010, 08:26 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,708 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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1968Cayman |
Nov 17 2010, 06:42 PM
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Redacted by Irving Washington Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: 5-February 10 From: Holly Springs, GA Member No.: 11,332 Region Association: South East States |
The wooden stand will probably get you through the build. I built a wooden dolly for my 911 project just to move it in, out, in and across the garage while the jig was being assembled. Broke the minute before I slid the car onto the jig, but that was only because of the casters.
Keep working. It can't be that hot down there now. |
al weidman |
Nov 17 2010, 09:25 PM
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Al Weidman Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 22-February 08 From: Oroville, Ca. Member No.: 8,736 Region Association: Northern California |
Any updates John? Here's an idea to update your Rocking Chair (Termites can be bad) T.C. Sorry, OT, TC is there a thread on that bus. I have had a bus, buses, in the family since 1966. Still have some. I would like a much longer look at that one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) |
carr914 |
Nov 18 2010, 06:06 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 122,978 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Any updates John? Here's an idea to update your Rocking Chair (Termites can be bad) T.C. Sorry, OT, TC is there a thread on that bus. I have had a bus, buses, in the family since 1966. Still have some. I would like a much longer look at that one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) Al, I grabbed that picture some time ago, I think the thread might have been on Pelican, back when the stories started popping up about the "Race Taxi", this was a similar build. |
gms |
Nov 18 2010, 07:57 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,708 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
John were the fenders all fiberglass or fiberglass on steel?
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FourBlades |
Nov 18 2010, 09:21 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Glenn, They are pure fiberglass. They just left 2-3 inches around the edges to glue the fiberglass to. All the fenders had been damaged and patched with layers of glass and bondo. I think we have the same Gottis. Mine have center caps and are painted differently than yours but they are the same otherwise. I was thinking of ditching the center caps because you are not allowed to run them in races now and I am guessing it was the same back then. I was also going to repaint them in a frosted silver color. Maybe I should paint the centers gold tone like yours. What is the history of your other IMSA 914-6? John |
FourBlades |
Nov 18 2010, 09:31 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Pedal area is well ventilated. This provides needed driver cooling in long races.
Can't wait to fix this. Been jonsing for some real welding. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) Plus I can actually work under a roof. What luxury. You can see in the background the first patch on this car that welded on yesterday. John |
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