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Starting a 1971 IMSA 914 Restoration, A privateer run 914 with Sebring and Daytona history |
carr914 |
Mar 15 2015, 05:27 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 122,978 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
I believe it will be in addition to the Foam. This is the pickup in that if it is touching liquid, it will pump it. The foam prevents the side to side sloshing
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FourBlades |
Mar 20 2015, 07:10 AM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
That is a pretty cool product TC that I will look into.
I still am thinking 10 gallons is too small. I could spend $$$$ to get a 13-14 gallon cell custom made that would fit my current configuration, which is not worth it. Researching Fuel Safe and ATL stock cell sizes it looks like to get a 22 gallon cell would require cutting out and starting over on my front trunk tubes, oil cooler shroud, and fuel cell mounts... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Not sure what I am going to do at this point. John |
Dave_Darling |
Mar 20 2015, 10:07 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,075 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
How about a 3 gallon surge tank?
--DD |
FourBlades |
Mar 20 2015, 03:27 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Doing some measuring it looks like I could fit a 4 inch wider and 2 inch taller cell with minimal teeth gnashing and hair pulling. That would give around 16.8 gallons minus some because I would order 2 corner surge tanks with doors in each back corner. So probably 15 usable gallons before you risk sucking air. Or maybe use TCs mat if they make a twin pickup version and get even more useable fuel.
Assuming 8 miles to the gallon that is 120 miles on track or 32 laps at Sebring, which would take 75 minutes at 2 minute 20 second laps. I would probably be ready for a beer after 75 minutes anyway. Do these calculations seem correct? If that was not enough I could also add a swirl pot, although I can't find any 3 gallon ones like Dave suggested. Give me some ideas and feedback here people. John |
gms |
Mar 20 2015, 04:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,708 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Most of our races are 1/2 hr and I can easily make it with my 12 gal fuel cell, the 45 min race put me about at the limit.
That being said I am running a stock (compression & cams) 3.2 L with Weber 40 IDAs When I ran a stock (compression & cams) 2.2L E the car used about 10 gal/hr |
FourBlades |
Mar 20 2015, 04:34 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Glenn, that is the kind of real world feedback I need. John |
FourBlades |
Mar 21 2015, 02:45 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Made a low tech mock up of a 16.8 gallon tank. It is 2 inches taller and 4 inches wider than the old one. I can move it back 1 more inch with some more bulkhead cutting and then the fuel pumps will still fit. I will also have to trim the oil cooler shroud. There will be a 1 inch lip around the top holding the top on which I have measured for and still fits. The front edge of the tank clears the hood by 1 inch or more. Don't want to cut it too close.
The tallest attachment is the vent fitting. It still clears the hood with 2 inches to spare. It looks like this would work. Now to see how much $$$$ the fuel cell makers want for a custom size. I will also ask if they are aware of the Holley Hydramat. John |
FourBlades |
Apr 27 2015, 08:13 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Big thanks to Brian Boss from German Parts and Restoration www.gprparts.com !
He took the initiative to contact me after I posted a thread looking for a vintage looking anti-roll bar. I wanted a large bar that would work with the car's original and fairly unusual arms and drop links. I did not want one all red or blue anodized parts that would not look 70s. Brian pointed out the RSR bar made by Tarret Engineering had a vintage look. He was able to work with Tarret to get me just the bar and bearing blocks for a fraction of what the whole RSR kit would cost. Finding the right parts takes an incredible amount of time on a project like this so it is really nice to have informed help from a vendor! Thanks also to Tarret for agreeing to package this! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) So here is some anti-roll bar porn: The RSR bar is beautifully made and plated and the bearings are anodized in grey. I zinc plated and chromated the original arms using a Caswell Plating kit and got new rod ends and hardware for the drop links. On the car: Thanks again Brian! John |
FourBlades |
Apr 27 2015, 08:37 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Custom 15 gallon ATL fuel cell ordered. I was pleasantly surprised to find this was only a few hundred dollars more than a stock size fuel cell would have been. ATL said that getting a rectangular cell made was not that time consuming thus not much more expensive. Their people were super helpful. I got two pickups in opposite back corners to avoid fuel starvation.
Should be here in a couple weeks. Pyrotect had an even lower quote for a custom cell with the same fixings. I would have picked them but the car originally had an ATL cell. Never knew much about Pyrotect before now but they have some good products at very good prices. John |
carr914 |
Jun 5 2015, 04:56 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 122,978 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
I'm thinking our car is back there somewhere
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maf914 |
Jun 5 2015, 06:59 AM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None |
Your sway bar arms look like the arms provided in the H&H sway bar kits. I have H&H bars on my car, purchased and installed around 1980, and the arms are practically identical, except the Cad plating on mine has long deteriorated. Your installation looks great.
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FourBlades |
Jun 5 2015, 08:12 AM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Mike. I've been wondering who made it.
I have been making some progress I need to post. John |
Nemisus |
Jun 5 2015, 10:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 1-October 11 From: North Bay CA Member No.: 13,631 Region Association: Northern California |
Your work and skills on a 914 is an inspiration to anyone new to these cars!
Thanks for such a detailed build! Cheers Nemi |
Mike Bellis |
Jun 5 2015, 05:22 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,347 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
Custom 15 gallon ATL fuel cell ordered. I was pleasantly surprised to find this was only a few hundred dollars more than a stock size fuel cell would have been. ATL said that getting a rectangular cell made was not that time consuming thus not much more expensive. Their people were super helpful. I got two pickups in opposite back corners to avoid fuel starvation. Should be here in a couple weeks. Pyrotect had an even lower quote for a custom cell with the same fixings. I would have picked them but the car originally had an ATL cell. Never knew much about Pyrotect before now but they have some good products at very good prices. John Are you running 2 pumps? If not, you might still suck in an air bubble on a hard corner if running through a T fitting to a single pump. |
FourBlades |
Jun 5 2015, 09:37 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States |
I am running two pumps and would plan to run both at all times. The car will be carbureted which helps a little because the bowls store some fuel. John |
Dion |
Aug 24 2015, 08:54 PM
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RN Group: Members Posts: 2,807 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Audubon,PA Member No.: 2,766 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
John, I found this in my collections, I can't remember if it was in 84' or 85'. Taken at
Pocono IMSA event. Could this be your car? Sorry for poor clarity. Did not own a zoom lens yet. Keep up the good work. Attached thumbnail(s) |
stownsen914 |
Aug 24 2015, 09:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 933 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
Ha, that's Ray Hendricks' car, now owned by gms here on the board! He'll be happy to get that picture ...
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Dion |
Aug 24 2015, 09:12 PM
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RN Group: Members Posts: 2,807 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Audubon,PA Member No.: 2,766 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
John, I found this in my collections, I can't remember if it was in 84' or 85'. Taken at Pocono IMSA event. Could this be your car? Sorry for poor clarity. Did not own a zoom lens yet. Keep up the good work. Ok John,GMS (Glenn) just let me know it's his ride. Awesome all the same. Both threads are excellent reads. Thanks guys. |
Dion |
Aug 24 2015, 09:22 PM
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RN Group: Members Posts: 2,807 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Audubon,PA Member No.: 2,766 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The only other clear shot in period,again 84' / 85' of 914.
Anyone here have this one? Attached thumbnail(s) |
gms |
Aug 24 2015, 09:26 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,708 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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